Bonus for the BoF's (in General)


AdminShade December 12 2011 11:01 AM EST

Alright, I currently have +37 named BoF's.

Would my bonus be a 'bonus' point higher if I'd upgrade it to +39 compared to the +37 or +38?

4% of (12+37) is 1.96 which is 2
4% of (12+38) is 2
4% of (12+39) is 2.04 which is rounded to 3

Correct?

Quyen December 12 2011 11:07 AM EST

i learned my math totally different..

AdminShade December 12 2011 11:09 AM EST

Math for CB goes a bit different than normal math ;)

from: http://www.carnageblender.com/blacksmith/item-name.tcl
Naming armor increases its stats by 4% -- also rounding up -- whether this is AC (for most armor) or something else such as for tattoos or Displacement Boots. This 4% is treated as "enchantment bonus" so it will apply to magical as well as physical damage.

For instance, if you had a normal AC of 150, 40 from a (base) named Adamantite Cuirass, your effective AC would be 150 + 0.04 * 40 = 151.6 rounded up to 152.

Sickone December 12 2011 11:25 AM EST

The AC bonus would be +3 instead of +2, yes.
The BoF leadership effect however remains at just +2, and would only go up to +3 if you upgrade to +51 BoF (highly unlikely to happen any time soon).

Bonuses start at +1 from a base to-be-bonused value of 1, and goes up +1 every 25 base points... so +2 at 26, +3 at 51, +4 at 76, +5 at 101, +6 at 126, etc.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] December 12 2011 11:28 AM EST

Actually I'm pretty sure the leadership would be +3 as well. All the named bonus counts as +s

AdminShade December 12 2011 11:33 AM EST

That's what I thought based on:
whether this is AC (for most armor) or something else

Quyen December 12 2011 11:35 AM EST

then why bother to get 76? 51 is already pretty expensive. :|

Sickone December 12 2011 11:37 AM EST

Actually I'm pretty sure the leadership would be +3 as well. All the named bonus counts as +s

That doesn't make any sense, but then again, a lot of other things don't.
Can you make absolutely sure by actually looking at the code that really computes it ?

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] December 12 2011 11:40 AM EST

I have never seen the code.

AdminTitan December 12 2011 11:54 AM EST

Can you make absolutely sure by actually looking at the code that really computes it ?

I have never seen the code either; but it works that way for every other item in CB; and I'm guessing NS didn't put a special exception for BoFs in...

QBRanger December 12 2011 11:54 AM EST

You are correct Shade. A total AC of 51 is a cutoff for an additional bonus from naming.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] December 12 2011 11:58 AM EST

This is straight from the Names of Power page.

Naming armor

Naming armor increases its stats by 4% -- also rounding up -- whether this is AC (for most armor) or something else such as for tattoos or Displacement Boots. This 4% is treated as "enchantment bonus" so it will apply to magical as well as physical damage.

Enchantment bonus would mean it also gives any other bonuses adding + normally does.

Sickone December 12 2011 12:43 PM EST

This is straight from the Names of Power page.

Depends how you interpret that verbally.

There is no special reason why the +AC bonus and the +special effect bonus should be based on the exact same value, and in fact, it's quite clear that they're NOT in some other cases - for instance, I strongly, strongly doubt that a set of +301 named DBs will be granting a +13 to AC on top of acting like a set of +314 DBs.

Seems quite obvious that the AC bonus and the +effect bonus of naming should be calculated individually and based on different starting values, whichever applies in each case.

Sickone December 12 2011 12:52 PM EST

I suppose there's a very easy way to test that though, with enchanted Trollskin Armor on a high enough ST minion.
There should be only a small interval of TSA +values for which the result would be confusing.

AdminTitan December 12 2011 12:54 PM EST

Just ask Ranger, I'm sure he has a named TSA.

QBRanger December 12 2011 1:12 PM EST

It is as Shade stated.

AdminTitan December 12 2011 1:13 PM EST

In both AC and ST bonus right?

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] December 12 2011 1:13 PM EST

Hellfire Claws [6] (+22) A named pair of tulkas gauntlets. Bonus to str: 24% AC: 30

I think this should put it clearly enough.

AdminShade December 12 2011 1:53 PM EST

Hellfire Claws [6] (+22) A named pair of tulkas gauntlets. Bonus to str: 24% AC: 30

+22 * 1.04 = 23% Strength
(6+22) * 1.04 = 29.12 / 29.12 - 6 = 23.12 -> rounded to 24

Sickone December 12 2011 4:48 PM EST

That was a lazy way to do it, but I guess since it's always in favour of the namer, eh, why not.

Sickone December 12 2011 5:02 PM EST

So, the "magic upgrades" (where you get 2 points instead of 1) for named items should be (assuming anybody could ever bother to get to the next "magic" number)...

Elven Gloves, Beleg's Gloves : +23, +48
Elven Cloak, Helm's Gauntlets : +22, +47
Cloak of the Istari, Helm of Ecthelion : +20, +45
Elven Boots, Buckler of Mandos : +16, +41
Boots of Fortitude : +14, +39, +64
Trollskin Armor : +4, +29, +54, +79, +104
Elven Hauberk : +2, +27, +52, +77
...also, they get a free starting +1 even at +0, just from naming.

Everything else with base 0 AC : +1, +26, +51, etc.

Sickone December 12 2011 5:05 PM EST

P.S. Tulkas' Gauntlets go alongside Cloak of the Istari and Helm of Ecthelion at +20, etc.

Xenogard [Chaotic Serenity] December 12 2011 7:41 PM EST

Its +36 for BoFs to gain 2 pts, named items round up around 1.4-ish.

Confirmed this with my old BoFs which are named and +36, they give a total of 50 ac.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] December 12 2011 7:43 PM EST

+39 is where it gives 3 points.

QBRanger December 12 2011 7:50 PM EST

This has been in the wiki under Blacksmith and has been proven true:
For the bonuses on armor you can use the following list to easily see the bonus:

If the total AC of the armor is between 1 and 25, you will get a bonus of 1.
If the total AC of the armor is between 26 and 50, you will get a bonus of 2.
If the total AC of the armor is between 51 and 75, you will get a bonus of 3.
If the total AC of the armor is between 76 and 100, you will get a bonus of 4.
If the total AC of the armor is between 101 and 125, you will get a bonus of 5.
If the total AC of the armor is between 126 and 150, you will get a bonus of 6.

For the bonuses on weapons, you can use the following list to easily see the bonus:

There is a fixed bonus of 150 for the X.
If the + of your weapon is between 1 and 33, you will get a bonus of 1.
If the + of your weapon is between 34 and 66, you will get a bonus of 2.
If the + of your weapon is between 67 and 100, you will get a bonus of 3.
If the + of your weapon is between 101 and 133, you will get a bonus of 4.
If the + of your weapon is between 134 and 166, you will get a bonus of 5.
If the + of your weapon is between 167 and 200, you will get a bonus of 6.

Sickone December 12 2011 9:16 PM EST

Its +36 for BoFs to gain 2 pts, named items round up around 1.4-ish.

I mean upgrading 1 point, getting 2 for it because of the naming roundup.

BoF[12]+0 to +13 -> +1 bonus
BoF[12]+14 to +38 -> +2 bonus
BoF[12]+39 to +63 -> +3 bonus
BoF[12]+64 to +88 -> +4 bonus
and so on and so forth

So at the upgrade from 13 to 14 you get 2 points instead of 1.
Same for the upgrade from +38 to +39, you get an upgrade of 2 points instead of 1.
For the ones in between, you upgrade 1 point, you get 1 point, not 2.

Xenogard [Chaotic Serenity] December 12 2011 11:03 PM EST

Alright I got what you meant now, I didn't read the whole thread, my apologies. Also I didn't know that it rounded up so low, .04 counts enough to round up? News to me.

I'm assuming that the extra AC granted by naming doesn't count towards the AC total in the chart Ranger got from the wiki?

Sickone December 13 2011 1:27 AM EST

Not sure what you mean, since "that chart" is for the bonus you're getting from the naming... as in, quite literally, you get +1 AC from naming if your AC is between 1 and 25, +2 AC from naming if your AC is between 26 and 50, +3 AC from naming if your AC is between 51 and 75, and so on and so forth.

AdminTitan December 13 2011 1:30 AM EST

If your item gives AC you get AC, so named DB give no AC b/c DBs give no AC, named TSA gives extra AC b/c TSAs give AC.
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