Does Evasion actually get penalised? (in General)

My Dex and Evasion are currently equal to each other;

Dexterity: 498,865 / 383,743
Evasion: 498,837 / 383,721 (Effect: 80)

And I've recently started training Haste as well.

Facing a target with no EC my post battle stats are;

Dexterity 523,606
Total Evasion 86

(So the 800K RoBF gives me an extra 6 Evasion! ;) )

But facing enough EC to nearly halve my Dex my stats are;

Dexterity 287,855
Total Evasion 86

I still have the same amount of Evasion, even though there's 110K Worth of Evasion that should be penalised.

Is my Evasion actually getting reduced, and it just doesn't show?

Or is it not being reduced at all?

Maybe evasion is set as a constant at the beginning of battle and is not subject to changes from EC, haste or the axbow.

It would be difficult to program in a change in evasion from round to round if you get hit via the axbow. So possibly the evasion you have prebattle is the evasion you have for the whole battle.

I am just guessing and do not have access to the code.

You can use Haste to satisfy the Evasion/Dex relationship, can't you? Would seem funny if you could get your full Evasion if you only had Haste based Dex which got negated by a larger DM.

Then again it might be too much to calculate on the fly with things like AXBow hits.

Not sure. :/

The way I see it, it gets a bonus :p

RoBF "Grants an effective trained Evasion". If this is added before the dx check/penalty then you are getting the penalty in both cases.

I'm sure NW based Evasion (DBs/RoBF) isn't penalised.

I have to /nospellcheck this. :/

an effective trained evasion too though, sounds like it could be either way

makes me wonder about the Gi too, whether penalty is applied to it or not

RoBF penalty is not applied, Gi penalty is applied.

Why isn't my Evasion being penalised here Nat? Or am I missing something? :/

I don't know. I haven't tested EC with evasion.

I have enough EC to knock your dex to negatives if you wish to see.

i seem to remember that evasion is calculated per round. it changes so often in ranged it would have to be wouldn't it? most likely the number shown is the effect before the ec is applied each round and the ranged penalties etc.

Dude,

I think you are right.

Current evasion uses multipliers in ranged rounds IIRC. Jon changed super evasion to what we have now and kept the multipliers in early ranged rounds.

Therefore it has to be calculated each round.

The changelog:

http://www.carnageblender.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002X5s

That would imply that he already has the penalty or is not getting one at all.

Train a little bit more evasion so its higher and see if your evasion goes down. If it doesn't then you already have the penalty, if it does then you're not getting one.

Looking at the chart, he is not getting a penalty if his evasion is 80 before RoBF. I'm simply guessing that since evasion is calculated each round due to ranged bonuses and such, that things like EC and dex drainage don't show up and that it just shows what your initial evasion is. The other answer is that is shows your most recent evasion, and DX just isn't having any effect. I'll leave the testing up to someone else :)

It's only Evasion above Dex that suffers the penalty, so I'd have to train a significant amount of Evasion over my natural Dex to see if I get any penalty.

A single AXBow hit doesn't have any impact on the display either;

Dexterity 450,326
Total Evasion 87

(Updated stats are now Dex & Eva 508,371 - 391,055 (81 Effect), 87 Evasion effect in post battle stats)

i think the evasion effect shown is simply your evasion before any outside forces affect it.

Yup, this seems the most logical to me as well.

Would it be possible to get it updated to be a post battle stat? Like the rest of them?

Just like direct damage - it doesn't show the leadership bonuses.

The Leadership bonus for DD effects damage directly, not DD level.

With no Leadership on my front minion:
enchantress cast Antimagic Field on Satan's Gift (0.11)

With +32 Boots of Fortitude, and a +10 Amulet of Leadership on my front minion:
enchantress cast Antimagic Field on Satan's Gift (0.11)

Since the bonus is only for damage, and not DD level, the display in the post game stats box is correct.

Forgot to include this.

AMF Backlash without Leadership:
Satan's Gift takes damage from his own Shocking Grasp (324,106)!

AMF backlash with Leadership:
Satan's Gift takes damage from his own Shocking Grasp (408,371)!

what was super evasion? :O

Ah, the good ole days of super evasion.

At one time, long ago in a game far far away, evasion gave defensive dexterity equal to its level.

In addition, there were bonuses to both the defensive dexterity and minus PTH in ranged up to 3x in the first missile round.

Tanks almost never ever hit the flying evasion walls that used the AoF, EB, EC, EG and put all their xp into evasion.

Talk about mage blender!

This is true, but damage is related to level and varies by round, so it should be shown.

Otherwise what is the point of showing DD in post battle stats. Nothing else affects DD level/effect in battle so you might as well just go look at your DD level on the train page.

ENC effects DD doesn't it?

Yes,

Per the original changelog:

http://www.carnageblender.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002Ohz

But note:

Junctioned items to a familiar do NOT have ENC penalties.

Therefore you can junction an infinite NW to your familiar and the familiar takes no ENC penalties.

Mages generally are not limited by ENC. The main exception being possibly a heavy mage, which could be calculated beforehand. The only mage which could have enc affecting it which varies during battle would be one training st/dx. So it's still pointless imo.

I suppose haste/gs too, but again, don't think there are many encumbered mages. Maybe just me not having much nw either though ;)

Yes i remember those days! Using my evasion wall to hassle the top like no other!