eBay-style auction bids (in Changelog)

Like it says on the auction page now, "Your bid will automatically be increased up to the amount you give here. Only you will see what your real maximum bid is."

The bids-extending-auction-duration feature is thus no longer necessary and has been removed.

thank you! this will help with the CB bidding problem..

huzzah!

woot!

Thanks Jon!

Nice!

I am getting a user error when I try to bid on the base BG's and a set of seeker arrows.

Wow.... Ranger, that's 3....

huh?

so... That solves the Central Bank problem! Very nice change. Thank you Jon

Ranger: fixed

A few comments:

1) You can see what people's maxes are by viewing their transfer logs.
2) I was wondering if two people had the same max bid, who would win? The person who bid first, or would the two people take turns bidding the minimum increment until one that would exceed the max they set?
3) I think that you should be able to bid the buy now, so that if you get outbid enough, you just buy it, but if not, you save yourself some cash.

You outbid yourself when you try to increase your max bid.

I put a max bid on an exbow, and it was 100,000. The auction ended with an amount of 73K+ and i have yet to recieve the monies that i over-bid back. Just thought i would post this.

Okay, it seems you bid the minimum bid until one person would go over their max.
In the auctions, the bids are ordered by time, and the winning bid isn't always on top. could you, if it's not too much trouble, order the bids by amount? The chronological order thing could get very confusing, especially with long auctions (Black Market anyone?).

Sorry, how does this thing work? We put down a max amount that we are willing to pay for and the bidding will automatically activate when we get outbid up to the max amount that we have placed?

No, you bid the minimum bid increment, and then other people do... and it goes on until no one (except one person) can bid any higher.

So it won't bid automatically up to the bid that we have placed?

Yes Kong it will bid up to the amount that you have placed on the item.

ok, thanks :) No more waiting for the auction to end.

whats up with this...

* $93,713 bid by Karn (Karn, Silver Golem) on 11:30 PM EST
* $85,000 bid by deifeln (Oy) on 10:48 PM EST
* $59,888 bid by deifeln (Oy) on 10:46 PM EST
* $51,983 bid by QBRanger (Koyaanisqatsi) on 10:45 PM EST
* $98,399 bid by Dirty Hippy (Rand al Thor) on 7:16 PM EST
* $1,583 bid by Karmic Mishap (Mikel III) on 7:13 PM EST

The bids are ordered by time.

im loving this new bidding system. I think this is my favorite change ever

I get a server error every time I bid on something.

"You can see what people's maxes are by viewing their transfer logs.

Yes, I don't have a fix for that yet.

"I was wondering if two people had the same max bid, who would win?"

The first bidder.

"You outbid yourself when you try to increase your max bid."

Six of one, half a dozen of the other...

"I put a max bid on an exbow, and it was 100,000. The auction ended with an amount of 73K+ and i have yet to recieve the monies that i over-bid back."

Fixed. I'll send you the difference.

"The bids are ordered by time."

Fixed.

now to come up with a fix for the ability to see x-fer logs... only thing i can think of as a temp fix... is to not allow auction to bids to be shown...or put in a "?" instead of the dollar amount... but i have no idea how to do somethin

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happens whenever i bid on anything

Jonathan, a question. It seems you bid by the minimum increment, and take turns. That would mean that the person who bid first wouldn't always win if two people had the same max, or even if the maxes were close.

An auction with a starting bid of 200, with 200 bid increments.
I bid 200, max of 1000
Someone bids 400, max of 1199
I outbid them to 600
They outbid me to 800
I outbid them to 1000
They can't bid 1200, I win.
This seems to be how it works, by the three stacks of seekers I bid on, and got outbid on.

One more thing, the difference in max bids is NEVER sent back, I set high bids (2x10k, and 1x5k) on stacks of seekers, so we could see how this worked. I never got the difference back either, from any of the auctions.

"One more thing, the difference in max bids is NEVER sent back, I set high bids (2x10k, and 1x5k) on stacks of seekers, so we could see how this worked. I never got the difference back either, from any of the auctions."

He said he fixed it ten minutes ago, when did you try this last?

"It seems you bid by the minimum increment, and take turns."

Please link an example where the highest max bid did not win. I'm not seeing this.

"the difference in max bids is NEVER sent back"

that's fixed as of the post where I said it is. :)

Oops, I thought he just said he sent Abhorsen his money back. But I want my money back to continue testing the system for holes. There's one I suspect was fixed, or never really was a problem, though I'm not sure yet.

"I want my money back to continue testing the system for holes."

link the auctions in question, then

Tylan: fixed your bug.

jon what happens if someone clicks the buy now... do they instantly get the item? or will it slowly increase until someone outbids them...

i think it should be they instantly get the item... if someone wants to bid up to the max price, they should just have to bud 1 dollar under the bin

Now this is odd.
From: Here
* $5,484 (max bid: 10,000) bid by Swagger (House Montrève) on December 2 2006 10:30 PM EST
* $5,223 bid by The Hatchetman (The Hatchetman) on December 2 2006 10:52 PM EST
* $3,822 bid by The Hatchetman (The Hatchetman) on December 2 2006 10:51 PM EST
* $2,821 bid by The Hatchetman (The Hatchetman) on December 2 2006 10:51 PM EST
* $2,421 bid by The Hatchetman (The Hatchetman) on December 2 2006 10:51 PM EST
* $1,021 (max bid: 1,021) bid by Swagger (House Montrève) on December 2 2006 10:29 PM EST
However, in Hatchetman's transfer log, there are no transfers for those auctions. They're just not there.

Either way, it seems he outbid me until he couldn't anymore, than i outbid him. But say my max was $5300 for that auction, he would have won, correct? Because I couldn't outbid him? Or would I have posted that bid first?
The three auctions are Here, Here, And the one from up there.

http://carnageblender.com/gc/view-one.tcl?classified_ad_id=77415

Set the auction up just a few hours ago to be posted for 24hr. The BIN was supposed to be $45k, but it ended with a bid of $26.5k. Not sure what happened with this one.

"if someone clicks the buy now... do they instantly get the item?"

that's what Buy Now means, yes.

"in Hatchetman's transfer log, there are no transfers for those auctions. They're just not there."

That's right, the auction system knew he was going to be outbid so it didn't bother
transferring money out only to send it right back.

"But say my max was $5300 for that auction, he would have won, correct?"

No, the highest bid always wins. Just like eBay, this lets you "bid" less than the minimum increment under certain conditions.

"Not sure what happened with this one."

PEBKAC.

Okay, it seems you fixed some of the problems I had.

"Okay, it seems you fixed some of the problems I had."

Maybe you were just confused b/c of the bid-ordering-by-time thing before... I haven't changed how the winning bid is determined.

Sent the $15k-ish from those 3 auctions to you.

That's quite possible. Oh well, my bad.

"That's right, the auction system knew he was going to be outbid so it didn't bother transferring money out only to send it right back. "

I didn't know that it could do that, I assumed it had to transfer the money every time. I thought you had found a way to hide maximum bid transfers, , but then again, why bother keeping them hidden after an auction is done? I was, however, surprised you had found a way to do it so quickly, well... We'll see what happens.

umm i don't get this

good change, but does the Central Bank use the same system?

new thing i noticed, is when i go to see my auction bid summary page, even tho i am the current winner it says that i am outbided on those those items, is says

basically my item im winning at is in the outbid section

wow i need a tims coffee

I am now getting the same error that Tylan got (Whenever I bid on anything):

Server Error
The requested URL cannot be accessed due to a system error on this server.

AOLserver/4.0.9b on http://www.carnageblender.com

An update on that:

I didn't notice at first, but it actually put the bids on, I just get that error page.

fixed

wait can someone tell me what this means?

Read upwards, it isn't difficult to figure out, serial

If an item is currently at 2k and you place a bid of 60k, you will only be bidding 4k. Then, say in 3 hours, someone else bids 7k, you will automatically bid 9k.

It goes like this until either you win or are outbid (ie. someone bids more than 60k)

Real quick, real rough. Numbers probably wrong.

Oh! And Thanks, Jon.

ok i bid a max bid of 30k on a Katana and it finished at 26k so shouldn't I recieve 4k back? If so I didn't cuz I know i had 32k when I placed the bid.

you just need to train to see the money

I'll fix that for the future

cool. thanks.

o i get it

Jon - I seem to be unable to cancel the auction for my Tat, even though there are no bids on it - the system tells me that I cannot cancel an auction that has bids. Something's off.

Oh, and now that the auction has ended itself, I am unable to relist - it tells me I have nothing to sell.

fixed cancelling bug, not sure what you're seeing with the unable-to-list thing

Is it designed so you don't get a 'you're outbid' notification when someone has a higher max bid than you?

I bid on 2 sets of ammo and NightStrike had higher max bids, I never received an outbid notification.

While you're poking around in the auction code, can you fix the bug where searching past auctions leaves out a bunch of past auctions?

Is there a way to arrange the fact that you can see the max bid of people, cause if someone bids 100k you just have to bid 100k and 1 to beat him. the max bid should be hidden.

Belle: please read the rest of the thread ;)

I read through this thread to try to make sure this isn't a redundant comment, so I apologize if it is. Suppose there is an item with minimum bid X with no bids on it yet. Suppose the minimum bid increment is Y. Now suppose I bid Z > X+Y. Whereas I would expect my first bid to be entered as just X, since I'm not bidding against anyone yet, the first bid is instead X+Y. Example for Jon here.

Minor bug. This auction showed up in the main page and in searches at 2.5 mil. But the bidding page showed something different (2.625 mil).

http://www.carnageblender.com/gc/view-one.tcl?classified_ad_id=77462

Another problem in the auctions. I changed my maximum bid for the steel familiar from 300k to 350k. Looks like it didn't just change my maximum bid amount, but actually out-bid myself, thus causing me to possibly pay more for it.

$315,000 (max bid: 350,000) bid by Wasp (Waspie Bank) on 6:00 PM EST
$300,000 (max bid: 300,000) bid by Wasp (Waspie Bank) on 5:50 PM EST

Any chance in changing it so that you can re-evaluate your highest bid when you have a change of heart, so that it will just change your highest bid and not out-bid your previous highest bid... that makes sense right? Cheers - Wasp

"I bid on 2 sets of ammo and NightStrike had higher max bids, I never received an outbid notification."

It doesn't CM you because it says on the bid confirmation page that you were outbid.

"can you fix the bug where searching past auctions leaves out a bunch of past auctions?"

If you want to give an example that doesn't work, I'll have a look.

"Whereas I would expect my first bid to be entered as just X, since I'm not bidding against anyone yet, the first bid is instead X+Y."

This should be fixed as of a few hours ago.

"This auction showed up in the main page and in searches at 2.5 mil. But the bidding page showed something different (2.625 mil)."

Probably someone bid on it between when you searched and when you clicked into the bidding page; it displays the same number on both now.

"Looks like it didn't just change my maximum bid amount, but actually out-bid myself"

Okay, I'll put this on my list.

To add to Wasps request, if you DO put it in, could you make it so that you can do it without that much money on your person. Um. Not worded right. I'll give an example.

I have 100k. I bid 100k max on something. I sell something and get an extra 50k. I now want a max bid of 150,k but I can't do it because I only have 50k on me - the rest is held by the auctioneer.

Well, to be honest, I don't actually know if this isn't already in place.

But yeah, adjusting the max bid would be very nice.

http://www.carnageblender.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001wwF

In that thread, I describe the problem. I search on expired auctions for seeker bolts will leave out auctions: 74960, 74875, 74902, 74935, 74910, 74900, 74876.

Again, the thread has all the details.

The only thing I hate about this is now it's impossible to get something in auction for a low price.

auction search won't show expired auctions where the item no longer exists, such as the ammo auctions you mention.

"now it's impossible to get something in auction for a low price"

good, that means a market inefficiency has been corrected :)

This could be the worst change of all.

Unless you can remove the *view past transfer* feature. What is the point of blind auction bids?

He'll figure something out for that... just be patient.

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im having problems with bidding now :(
i get the server error thing 75% of the time

fixed

I didn't have a problem acessing auctions earlier today, but now it's broken for me too. And that's after the above fix.

Auctions are Broken.
Search By User is Broken.
CM is broken.

These are ALL leading to the Server Error Page.

fixed

wow Thanks Jon

I was out bid on some stuff I never bid on, then I got like 1 mil or so money added to my Backpack character... thought you might like to know

Me too :p Can we get to keep the money for being honest? ;)

http://carnageblender.com/gc/view-one.tcl?classified_ad_id=62130



I checked one i got money sent back for, and it seems as though the central bank bid on an auction that ended back in July and it sent me my money back for being "outbid"

Happening to alot of people it seems

I just got chatmail notifications

New chatmail
From: auctioneer Sent: 12:18 PM EST
You have been outbid in an auction for A Pair of Displacement Boots [0] -- details here
From: auctioneer Sent: 12:18 PM EST
You have been outbid in an auction for A Pair of Alatar's Gloves [0] -- details here

I was not bidding on either of these items. I bid on them quite a while ago, but not recently...

and Morthak is trying to sell all his "outbid" money

ooh, that's naughty ;) Maybe this is our early Christmas present :)

Auction 77,565:

On the homepage: An Elven Cloak [4] (+10) ($1,504,913) ends in 00:09:47

From the auction:
* $1,433,250 bid by ChingChang (Erschofer) on 12:29 PM EST
* $1,433,250 bid by Central Bank (Mr. Chairman) on 12:47 PM EST
* $1,300,000 bid by Zoidberg (Caedmon) on 12:24 PM EST

bids-extending-auction-duration feature is thus no longer necessary and has been removed

i want it back ... ebay should do it too ...

i dont like this change

Hmm. Think I see another bid. As of this post auction 77562, for the SoD has around 18 hours left till it finishes.

Mr. Chairman already has a bid on it??

So, when you put in an initial bid with a cap greater than the starting bid amount, it is automatically acting like you outbid yourself once. The starting bid for some seekers was $408, I put in a bid above that and my current bid is $607. Is this being looked into still?

I was wondering if the time that auctions end still gets set back to 15 minutes if there is a bid after 10 minutes are left now.

Sorry, just noticed what was said in the original post.

Another minor bug:

From: auctioneer Sent: 12:02 PM EST
You have been outbid in an auction for A Pair of Alatar's Gloves [0] (+13) -- details here
From: auctioneer Sent: December 3 2006 11:51 PM EST
Your bid won the auction for A Pair of Alatar's Gloves [0] (+13).'

I was the only bid and I won it.

.......................Outbid
$85,000 for An Assassin's Crossbow [4x10] (+7) (currently $76,578) ends in 21:03:20
$82,688 for An Enforcer's Crossbow [4x11] (+6) (currently $95,721) ends in 04:15:59


______________________________________________________


Bids

* $76,578 (max bid: 85,000) bid by {cb1}smallpau1 (Walking Dead) on 4:39 AM EST
* $72,931 (max bid: 72,931) bid by {cb1}smallpau1 (Walking Dead) on 4:38 AM EST
* $70,000 bid by SaintChristopher (Hordes of Valhalla) on 1:46 AM EST
* $66,150 (max bid: 66,150) bid by {cb1}smallpau1 (Walking Dead) on 4:38 AM EST
* $60,000 (max bid: 60,000) bid by {cb1}smallpau1 (Walking Dead) on 4:38 AM EST
* $50,000 (max bid: 50,000) bid by {cb1}smallpau1 (Walking Dead) on 4:37 AM EST


I outbid myself and it shows I'm outbid when i goto my bids.

and i just noticed, "Only you will see what your real maximum bid is."

That is a false statement, you can see what someones max bid is, just goto that users transfers and it was deducted from their account for that auction.

Everyone knows that already, I think Jon is trying to figure out how to mask it.

'increase your bid' feature is live

still working on hiding bids

I agree with Moddin. Bids should extend auction lengths still because there will always be bargain-hunters and last-minute battles over desired items. Don't cut that off unnaturally, Jon!

Karmic: understand how proxy bidding works and you'll realize there's no need for auction extending...

Bid amounts, changes, refunds, etc. in transfer log will now only be shown to the user who placed them.

Someone will probably come up with a way to abuse this so I plan to also show them to admins eventually.

great change so far jon :-)

Jon,
Well done!

This might be nice to have, but I also know that is more of a convenience (i.e. I don't need flames to the effect of, "You're so lazy, go look at the expired auction.") When the auctioneer sends a chatmail to let you know that your bid won the auction, it might be nice to include in that chatmail what amount won the auction since you are only setting a max amount when you bid.

The auctioneer just gave me 300k O.o

I bid 300k for a HoD, but somebody else had set their max bid above it, so I did not get the 300k deducted from me. Then I bid 350k on it, and the 350k was deducted.

I just got outbid again, and it gave me the 300k and the 350k back. :/

QuesoConQueso,
It's been so long since I won an auction that I can't remember. I know the details are shown when you are outbid as a link on the CM and guess from your question that they're not shown when you win. Showing them with a win would fix your little "lazy" request I guess.

that 300k is mine :S

I failed to win an auction last night on a shadow cloak. I had bid 300k and was outbid. Auction closed around 21:00 and I have not yet receieved my 300k back. Anyone else have this problem?

Fixed bug determining to whom to send outbid refund for tied bids.

Moved 300k from Henk to Tyriel, and 300k from Defiant to Shagaar.

gracias senor.

thanks Jon

The auction prices are a little confusing at the moment.
There is an MCM up for auction. The auctions-> rare items page
says the price is $787500 yet the highest bid is $771k.
The "Place a bid" option says $821k.

This is a little confusing.

Also, last night a stack of slayer arrows was at auction for about $420.
I bid on it at the base price and a little while later I was outbid with someone's bid of $820.
When I went in to update my bid, the default was to raise my bid to $480 which obviously, didn't cut the mustard.
I could have done it manually but the option of raising my bid to something too low to win surprised me.

fixed price display on Rare page

fixed displaying "raise bid" option when it's not an option (the actual bidding code would have refused to place it, though, had you submitted the form)

Thanks Jon. I wish the guys at my company fixed bugs this quickly. :)

* Increase your bid to "$20,219" (You have $4,830,456)
* View expired auctions for Pair of Helm's Gauntlets

Bids

* $250,000 (max bid: 250,000) bid by {cb1}smallpau1 (Walking Dead) on 3:22 AM EST
* $250,000 bid by Proteus (Proteus II) on 12:18 AM EST
* $210,000 (max bid: 210,000) bid by {cb1}smallpau1 (Walking Dead) on 3:22 AM EST
* $131,802 bid by Tylan (Tylan) on 12:57 AM EST
* $55,096 bid by Doujinshi (C Geret) on 12:49 AM EST
* $24,577 bid by Doujinshi (C Geret) on 12:49 AM EST
* $22,292 bid by Doujinshi (C Geret) on 12:49 AM EST
* $20,219 bid by Doujinshi (C Geret) on 12:49 AM EST




Two inqueries...

The "Place next bid" is displaying the lowest bid placed on the helms and not the next possible bid.

And shouldnt Proteus be winning this auction? Same bid for us both but he bid first, so he SHOULD be winning, right?

"displaying the lowest bid" fixed

"shouldnt Proteus be winning this auction?" no, 3 AM comes before 12 AM

Jon, 3AM comes after 12AM???

I kind of got the idea of how this whole thing works now, except for the time rearranging... ;)

hmm, yes, that was backwards. fixed.

sory to bother again Jon, but i dont think auctioneer gave me the 250k back from that auction you had to fix. i have 40k less (from bidding in another auction) than last night when i was "winning" the auction, but now im not winning and i should have around $5,050,000

only one problem though, i cant really prove it now, cuz i think when you fixed the auction it got rid of my xfer of 250k to the auctioneer. =/

Bid increases are still transparent.
Is this intentional?

smallpau: the auction system knew you were already outbid so it didn't bother
transferring money out only to send it right back. Then it displayed you as the winning bidder, which was the bug; the behind-the-scenes stuff was working correctly.

"Bid increases are still transparent."

no, they aren't

Can anyone give us a summary of this change? I don't want to have to read through 100+ posts.

CB Auctions now function like ebay auctions:

You place a bid which is the highest amount you would like to pay for the item. However, your actual bid is just next highest increment. For instance, pretend there is a 1 mil NW dagger in auctions with a minimum bid of 100k. If I place my max bid of 300k, this doesn't mean I bid 300k right away. Instead, I bid 100k and if someone outbids me, then my bid is automatically increased up to my max bid. There 100+ posts in this thread were merely bug fixes and tweaks. If you still don't understand, try bidding on an item and see what happens.

The auto-bidding thing is still confused. This is the situation with some more testing I am doing:

Carnage Blender » Auctions » My Bids
Winning
$741 for 541 Slayer Arrows [15x1] (+0) ends in 00:31:00
Outbid
$731 for 530 Slayer Arrows [15x1] (+0) (currently $730) ends in 00:31:00

Finished Auctions
Back to Auctions Home


So, apparently I'm losing the second auction, or so it appears to say, but according to the actual auction itself:

Carnage Blender » Auctions » One Auction
530 Slayer Arrows [15x1] (+0) for sale by auctioneer
Wiki: Slayer Arrow
Ends in 00:30:34

Net worth: $531
Net worth is a measure of how much has been spent on upgrades, not of market value.
Actions

* Increase your bid to $[731] (You have $220,238)
* View expired auctions for Slayer Arrow

Bids

* $731 (max bid: 731) bid by Yukk (Reda Luu) on 7:20 PM EST
* $730 bid by Ice (Ites) on 7:32 PM EST


But I already bid $731 as my initial maximum and this page says I'm winning, and I don't think trying to bid $731 will work.

fixed criterion for listing bids as winning in My Bids

A Mithril Cuirass [35] auction is in the rare items list of auctions... may be wrong but that isn't a rare item is it?

A MC is, of course, a "rare' item.

However, it just has no use in the CB2 world. Similar to the ELS or BoTH, there are other items of the same class that do the job much better.

An adam gives far more protection.

A MCM has no penalties and is almost as good.

A TSA is the choice for non TOA/Heavy AC tanks.

There is really no use for the MC anymore. I tried to use it on my mage to see if it would help lower the damage vs seekers, however, the -8% to DD was too much for the little more AC.

I hope this was just a fluke then.
auctioneer (auctioneer) Karmic Mishap (Mikel III) $47594 (bid-increase 78281) 12:24 PM EST

I see that you missed the part about being able to see your own bids and bid increases.

i won an auction on a MH over 30 mins ago and still havent gotten it, is this a bug or a big delay?
i want my MH

fixed

got my MH, thx jon

Might be forgetfulness, but didn't the auctions page used to show the next price for the next bid, rather than the current bid?

it did, but I changed it.

Ok, just a question... I put up some Ex Shots on Auction for 10k min 29,999 BIN... So... two minutes later someone won the bid for 10k and I was wondering if they actually BINd it, but it only showed a 10k bid? I looked in transfers and the transfer was "secret"... any clues?

fixed BN better; moved 19999 from bidder to Ronin

Thanks, Jonathan.