Character inspect pages? (in General)

Colonel Custard June 28 2008 12:46 AM EDT

I just inspected another user's character, and saw that the inspect page now contains a full view of exact stat levels similar to the equip page view. I noticed one thing, though: the character I inspected, while it was listed on the user's page as their active character, said "retired" over to the left side of the inspect page, underneath the user portrait. I inspected another user's supposedly non-retired characters, and they too were listed as retired. I tried to inspect my own character to see if it said retired (because I clearly am fighting with it) and an error page came up. Similarly, all the characters I have on my fightlist are uninspectable, presumably because they are still active. Either that, or the inspect link is broken.

What's going on?

Colonel Custard June 28 2008 12:47 AM EDT

Spoke too soon; it's all working now. Nice new look.

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] June 28 2008 12:49 AM EDT

I really don't like how items are all just bunched together, same goes for the equip page.

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] June 28 2008 12:49 AM EDT

BTW, you can't tell what named items are anymore by hovering over the named item?

[RX3]Cotillion June 28 2008 12:55 AM EDT

I was going to say something to the same effect of Small, but I think changes are still being made.

Also noticed that the Max Tatt level is missing from the page.

And what about spells like Guardian Angel that show : ?/?. Maybe it should just show the level for those spells, in the character inspect page and the 'equip' page. Just a suggestion.

RVT June 28 2008 1:41 AM EDT

I really don't like the new look. The old look was classic.

QBOddBird June 28 2008 1:52 AM EDT

I don't want to say I dislike it yet, but I don't particularly care for it either RVT...guess I need time to adjust.

PotatoHead June 28 2008 1:53 AM EDT

It's different. I don't really dislike it either, but it just feels... I dunno... Intrusive? (inspecting others) Takes some of the surprise out of what to expect from a battle.

QBOddBird June 28 2008 2:01 AM EDT

any way I can get the classic option at least for my own inspect page? I really do prefer the equip screen to look at individual minions, the train screen to look at AMF/etc stats, and the inspect screen for an overall view....I would like my old overall view as an option somehow.

Tchoob June 28 2008 2:34 AM EDT

I have to say I don't like the new look. Right now it takes longer to make a decision whether I should fight the character or not, because I have to click through all the members one by one. Before the changes I could quickly assess any opponent at pretty much one look.

MissingNo June 28 2008 2:55 AM EDT

I agree with Tchoob.

three4thsforsaken June 28 2008 2:58 AM EDT

I can't see what Named Items are. That's very detrimental...

Ragatag June 28 2008 3:41 AM EDT

its horrifying, but i appreciate the effort; however I don't see why its neccessary to have these random un informed changes with the pages

lostling June 28 2008 3:43 AM EDT

i dont mind the extra info but yea... i wish we could get the whole picture

{CB1}-Mokaba June 28 2008 3:56 AM EDT

I like to see the whole page up as it was. That gives you a better overview of what you are doing. This is rubbish. You can see this already on the equip and train page. Don't do it on the inspect pages.

TheHatchetman June 28 2008 4:04 AM EDT

I've said it in mockery before, but this time I mean it...


{CB1}-Mokaba June 28 2008 4:18 AM EDT

Now, everyone can see what you have trained in your strat as well.
I don't like it at all. There goes the last secrets of the game. Hmmmm.

TheHatchetman June 28 2008 4:33 AM EDT

fightlists are now, more than ever much less a strategic decision than a math problem... hence, the "WAAAAAAHHHHHHH! :("

But what really irks me is tournaments... All that lack of privacy I had mentioned my dislike of before... Then, this... Now, any strategy is available to view. With that strategy, you'll need a fightlist, so after taking note of their XP spread, click their fightlog. Then go back to their userpage, and search their transfers and purchase logs.

How long before I can just CM OB my password and have him steal his own strategy for me and spend my tourny BA while he's at it?

I can appreciate the desire for a new look, especially trying to make it as FB-friendly as possible... but is there any way the inspect page could fit the tiny dimensions of FB while not giving out my family's secret baked bean recipe to the general public?

[SIBT]Gardiner Amarth June 28 2008 6:22 AM EDT

This bad.

winner winner June 28 2008 6:28 AM EDT

I really don't like this change. I liked seeing all their minions at once.

Brakke Bres [Ow man] June 28 2008 6:47 AM EDT

and with the new look you can no longer 'see' named items

QBRanger June 28 2008 7:06 AM EDT

If you inspece your own character and have named items, those show up as named.

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 [SHIELD] June 28 2008 8:09 AM EDT

I <3 this change.

I do think Hatch is right about the tournaments though - its very easy to just steal the best strategy and run with it now

AdminJonathan June 28 2008 8:26 AM EDT

Fixed named items. Took off spell levels.

RVT June 28 2008 8:51 AM EDT

I'm getting a server error when I click on the 'equip' page.

AdminJonathan June 28 2008 8:53 AM EDT

fixed equip

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] June 28 2008 9:06 AM EDT

where is mtl found now if at all?

Relic June 28 2008 9:32 AM EDT

Clicking "unfavoritify" caused a server error for me on the new character page.

QBRanger June 28 2008 9:36 AM EDT

I concur with Dude,

MTL is missing and is a great thing to be able to view.

Flamey June 28 2008 9:48 AM EDT

I'm sure it could be done in a neater fashion. Why not have the things across the top go down the left in a column, and then have the minions on the right side. Would be easier to read, and more similar to the last view. Also, a "view all minions" button like in train/equip.

Sickone June 28 2008 9:56 AM EDT

Really, really needs an UNTABBED view.

Ragatag June 28 2008 10:23 AM EDT

can we have some sort of option to return it to the original view? like in supporter preferences.. it would be nice

AdminJonathan June 28 2008 10:39 AM EDT

if people don't want to see spell stats, they shouldn't see MTL either

AdminJonathan June 28 2008 10:40 AM EDT

> can we have some sort of option to return it to the original view? like in supporter preferences.. it would be nice

please don't waste your time or mine with posts like this. I'm *not* going to support two versions of each page.

QBRanger June 28 2008 10:51 AM EDT


I think that almost all of us loved having MTL on the character page. It was a good representation of the person VPR. It allowed one to see ones progress compared to others who saved up xp.

However, seeing individual spell levels is different. That certainly effects gameplay and is not an adequate correlate to MTL.

Please reconsider your thinking on linking MTL and spell levels on the character overview page.

I personally do not care if my spell effects/levels are shown, but do feel very strongly about having MTL visible.

QBOddBird June 28 2008 10:56 AM EDT

Since you aren't interested in supporting two versions, can we

1) Have a poll on whether or not we prefer the original view


2) Alter the existing new version so that it is more of a character overview-type page?

AdminJonathan June 28 2008 11:02 AM EDT

> Clicking "unfavoritify" caused a server error for me on the new character page.


> 1) Have a poll on whether or not we prefer the original view


> 2) Alter the existing new version so that it is more of a character overview-type page?

what information is not present that used to be?

AdminNightStrike June 28 2008 11:05 AM EDT

Regarding #1, there was a poll a while back on this topic......

QBOddBird June 28 2008 11:05 AM EDT

Previously, I could quickly look at a strategy on the inspect page and simply see all trained skills, spells, and attributes in one quick go. That was a quick way to identify, for example, a base decay that had been slipped in or some other alteration to a strategy.

I also liked looking at it as a general overview of the team. I often just quickly clicked to my own character inspect page after training HP levels to see where they all were in relation to one another.

That's basically what I want back: The page that shows a general team overview, rather than a more detailed look at each specific minion. I like having the detailed look at my own team, which is available on equip and train; not so much when looking at opponents, and not so much when I want an overview look.

AdminJonathan June 28 2008 11:06 AM EDT

I'm not sure which #1 you are referring to. I remember a poll about showing spell stats, is that what you meant?

QBOddBird June 28 2008 11:07 AM EDT

I believe he means this poll

AdminJonathan June 28 2008 11:19 AM EDT

Ah, right. Spell levels, item levels... who can keep them straight. :)

QBsutekh137 June 28 2008 11:24 AM EDT

Yes, "Show All Minions" would be nice, and since there is less to show for all minions (as opposed to the training page which shows new stuff to train), "Show All" should be the default, I should think. I don't mind having to scroll a bit... I don't think any sort of two-D matrix will work ala post battle stats (Flamey mentions that idea bove), because the attributes would have to cover EVERY attribute, and any given team would have a lot of gaps in the grid. Building a dynamic grid with just what is needed is difficult programmatically, and is not the best UI design (nothing stays in the same place if you shift things around team to team).

But a "Show All" would be great.

I agree that MTL should not be displayed. Hoarding experience is a part of strategy, too, in my opinion. *smile* If anyone wants to know my VPR, they can ask.

Wasp June 28 2008 11:41 AM EDT

How about a supporter preference to use the old view?

QBOddBird June 28 2008 11:45 AM EDT

AdminJonathan, 10:40 AM EDT
> can we have some sort of option to return it to the original view? like in supporter preferences.. it would be nice

please don't waste your time or mine with posts like this. I'm *not* going to support two versions of each page.

Lord Bob June 28 2008 11:53 AM EDT

I also vote for a Show All Minions button. This new page makes searching for new opponents as difficult as can be.

Wizard'sFirstRule June 28 2008 12:12 PM EDT

I prefer options. I like the old display better. I feel stupid.

{CB1}-Mokaba June 28 2008 12:14 PM EDT

Please, get the old display back!!

Wizard'sFirstRule June 28 2008 12:16 PM EDT

on a side note: while we are on the discussion of displays.

can we have a quick way to transfer money between characters on same account in the manage page? I have to switch to my rental guy, click on equip, click on "inspect self", click on my userName, click on my main character, and then "send to", then I can finally transfer?

QBOddBird June 28 2008 12:18 PM EDT

Dude, there's a drop down box in external transfers. The method is already there.

QBsutekh137 June 28 2008 12:21 PM EDT

We all got used to the Train and Equip page, can we give the new Inspect layout some time (assuming a Show All Minions gets added, that is. *smile*)

Consistency is good. When all the pages follow the same style, it will be easier to read ALL of them, not to mention the easier maintainability/customizability for Jonathan.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] June 28 2008 12:24 PM EDT

and once it is all completed, we might see some themes once again!

QBRanger June 28 2008 12:25 PM EDT


Because we all got used to the Equip/Train pages, does not mean we prefer that to the "show all" as the default.

Show All as the default will make gameplay much easier for most of us.

MissingNo June 28 2008 12:27 PM EDT

I miss the item layout, weapons on the right, armor on the right. Though I agree this layout is much more efficient and neater, just all the items cluttered together bugs me for some reason.

QBOddBird June 28 2008 12:30 PM EDT

I don't even see it as more efficient or neater.

Before we had slots under each minion - you could see immediately if they were open or full - and weapons/armor separated out. Also, you could see the entire team.

Now we have to look at minions individually, and the weapons/armor are clumped together. Positive note: Jon's change to named equipment, where you can hover over and see. Other than that, I don't like the new setup. Show All Minions!!

AdminJonathan June 28 2008 12:48 PM EDT

Added "show all." Working on making it prettier.

QBOddBird June 28 2008 12:49 PM EDT

Much <3 to you, Jonathan!

Tchoob June 28 2008 12:53 PM EDT

That's better. Would be even better if you could see all 4 members on my 1400x900 screen.

QBsutekh137 June 28 2008 12:59 PM EDT

Ranger, isn't that what I said?

And Jonathan has made the change... Not sure what your post means, exactly?

QBRanger June 28 2008 1:00 PM EDT


Most of us prefer to have "show all minions" as the default.

QBsutekh137 June 28 2008 1:00 PM EDT

Hm, can "Show All" be the default in the case of inspecting? I know that isn't exactly consistent with the other pages, but now that showing all is used in several pages, maybe a "Show all when available" option in Preferences is in order?

QBsutekh137 June 28 2008 1:01 PM EDT

Yes, Ranger, most of us, including me, as my posts have made pretty clear.

So, I'm still confused. *smile*

Lord Bob June 28 2008 1:02 PM EDT

"Added "show all." Working on making it prettier."

I think it looks pretty good as it is.

QBRanger June 28 2008 1:03 PM EDT


We are on the same page, Just looking at it from different angles.

I thought you were typing about us getting used to things the way they are now.

I was responding that even though we got used to it, does not mean we prefer the current way.

But we both would like the same thing in the future, "show all" as the default.

DrAcO5676 [The Knighthood III] June 28 2008 1:03 PM EDT

Ya, Hovering over naming works again ^_^

QBsutekh137 June 28 2008 1:12 PM EDT

Yep, we are in violent agreement, as is often the case! *smile*

I agree, I have gotten used to the NOT show all on Training, but would rather have that be the default there.

I only train once a month or so, though, so it is not as big a deal at this point (for me personally).

QBsutekh137 June 28 2008 1:12 PM EDT

And I agree with LB, I think the Inspect page looks pretty nifty...

MissingNo June 28 2008 1:13 PM EDT

Character inspect doesn't show the name of economic clans.

Blarg June 28 2008 1:21 PM EDT

in a favorites list, edit-> selecting some characters -> remove selected results in a server error.

Brakke Bres [Ow man] June 28 2008 2:10 PM EDT

I can't longer see the number of AC in the inspect page

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] June 28 2008 2:17 PM EDT

How about char bios and allowing the way back machine to spider char pages...

AdminJonathan June 28 2008 2:28 PM EDT

> in a favorites list, edit-> selecting some characters -> remove selected results in a server error.

can you be more specific? seems to be working here.

TheHatchetman June 28 2008 3:48 PM EDT

> Fixed named items. Took off spell levels.

Thank you Jon! <3 Once showing all becomes an option (or a default, i don't care), even the littlest reservations towards this change should be diminished ^_^

(yup, totally bucked your quoting method! Muwaha!)

Dark Dreky June 28 2008 4:25 PM EDT

Oh my disaster.

/me scratches his head as he tries to decipher the new page.

AdminJonathan June 28 2008 4:27 PM EDT

> Once showing all becomes an option

that's been live for a couple hours now

Tchoob June 28 2008 5:19 PM EDT

About NW display - could familiar's NW be included in the NW of minion holding it? Right now it's easy to learn the level of familiar by deduction minion NWs from total character NW.

tasuki [UFC] June 28 2008 6:27 PM EDT

Can we have a setting to default to shown all minions?

Tyriel [123456789] June 28 2008 6:35 PM EDT

"it's easy to learn the level of familiar by deduction minion NWs from total character NW"

1) Total character NW includes unequipped items
2) Who cares if it's easy to figure out the level of a tattoo? I see no reason for it to be a problem.

Sickone June 28 2008 8:45 PM EDT

Yay, thanks for the "see all" option.
Now... a few more nitpicks.

1. It makes a lot more sense to have the "show all" as the default option and the "show tabbed" as the non-default option.

2. In the old view, one could quickly determine what named items were weapons (or a shield) and which were armour, as the former were on the right side and the latter on the left side.
So, please, either re-separate them in left/right OR better still prefix them with a "slot letter" (for instance, the following - A: amulet, C: cloak, H: headgear, B: body armor, T: tattoo, L: leggings, G: gloves, S: shield, R: ranged weapon, M: melee weapon)

[RX3]Cotillion July 17 2008 9:54 PM EDT

Didn't really know where else to post this + I didn't think it needed a new thread, but when looking at a character without minions, it says ''Recruit minions on the Train page. '' and the 'Train' link is active. It takes you to your own training page.

Just thought I'd point it out. Oh and the character I looked at was GW's 'GearedRight'.
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