NCB vs regular gains... (in General)


{Wookie}-Jir.Vr- March 11 2009 9:40 PM EDT

So my NCB ran out today or last night... With NCB I was making almost 1,000 xp per minion (sometimes as much as 1500) (3 minions = ~3k total XP per fight)

Now I'm lucky if I'm making 150 per minion...

Is it supposed to be this big of a difference? It said the NCB bonus was only ~300% xp gains, but 150 - 1000 is a lot more than 300% difference...

:S

{Wookie}-Jir.Vr- March 11 2009 9:42 PM EDT

So either you invest hundreds of USD for the hundreds of millions of CBD required to run a successful NCB... or you sit on virtually zero growth? ... ... So basically this game is only for people who spend lots of money on the game or people who are new and have no idea what a good deal they are getting anyways...

Sounds like a raw deal to me :(

chaosal March 11 2009 9:47 PM EDT

noobs ftw ;-)

i guess the plan is that by the time you're out of your NUB you've grown so attached to the community and the game that you can't bear to part with it :P

{Wookie}-Jir.Vr- March 11 2009 9:48 PM EDT

Rewards
Cash (total) $248
XP (per minion) 54

Bonuses
Challenge bonus 95%
Clan bonus 12.5%

:( Sucks that I'm being forced essentially to stay on my current mpr for months and months, or restart :(

Zenai March 11 2009 9:52 PM EDT

Hehe well I think a few other Players on here have said exactly what I am about to say.

There should be a Tutorial AND a Grace Period when New Players come on Before they get to use the NUB. This way they have time to learn the drawbacks of the system and have an idea of what to do and expect before they get to play the NUB and therefore maximize it :)

However until this happens basically what you said is about right Welcome my friend you have passed your Right of Passage!

Wizard'sFirstRule March 11 2009 9:54 PM EDT

I think the problem is that the drop is so dramatic rather than the gain after NCB is so low. Just increasing gains arbitarily wouldn't solve the problem. It will just make the difference between MPR greater. There is no easy way to nullify the effect of simply played for longer or played better.

Zenai March 11 2009 9:55 PM EDT

err the NCB too?.....lol yeah it kinda sucks but if you love the Community then it comes with the territory once again Right of Passage.

Goodfish March 11 2009 9:55 PM EDT

Don't whine. That's the point of the NCB anyways.

Considering you didn't even hit a million MPR, restarting should be no big deal. I was at 1.6M MPR when my NCB was up, and this was almost embarrassingly low for me. Many players manage double what I got to. Honestly a 3M NCB is relatively easy to get and requires minimal CBD investment- you basically buy BA twice a week during EXP time and try not to waste any natural BA accrual. That's it.

Your first N*B is usually the hardest since you don't have any high-end equipment to rely on. But once you finish your first serious one, you tend to have tens of millions of CBD invested in items (or straight up cash), and can do a very effective next NCB run.

For example, my last NCB was my first serious one, and I accrued over 30M in items, including a 7M NW ELB. Now, my new character will be able to use this massive ELB as soon as my ENC limit allows me to- that's a free 7M, basically, that I don't have to invest in this NCB, allowing me to use my CBD to either buy BA (which I don't), or invest in even MORE items for my NEXT NCB run.

The way I look at it is that your NCB is generally just a way of making sure your next NCB does even better. They're sort of like stepping stones- each NCB you make lets you get a little bit further with your next one.

Lord Bob March 11 2009 10:00 PM EDT

"So basically this game is only for people who spend lots of money on the game or people who are new and have no idea what a good deal they are getting anyways..."

Yep, basically. Vets who run non-N*B chars are like second class citizens around here.

QBOddBird March 11 2009 10:00 PM EDT

"So basically this game is only for people who spend lots of money on the game or people who are new and have no idea what a good deal they are getting anyways..."

Ding ding ding, you win the prize, as you are CORRECT!

lostling March 11 2009 10:07 PM EDT

thats not true... i managed to break 2mill MPR by the end of my NCB... i NEVER bought BA other then the first 100k MPR i think

Talion March 11 2009 10:08 PM EDT

Once you NUB is over here are your choices...

(1) You play for the fun of it. That is what I am doing now and my character is always fully loaded for its MPR. It's actually a lot of fun.

(2) You play to be the best. If that is the case then it's all about the USD baby. Pay for the supporter items you need and pay for the NCB BA. Else you will never stand a prayer. Ever, ever, ever. And that is the CB reality.

I am playing a 400K MPR character, but I could have chosen to play my retired 2.7M MPR one. Playing the later would have been a bit boring for my taste because of the lack of opponents in terms of quantity and variety (not in terms of quality). At 400K MPR, I am constantly changing my favorites list and that's a lot more interesting.

I initially quit playing my 2.7M character when supporter items became available to anyone with a few extra bucks. And now that I had time to reflect on my decision, I am happy I did it. I am rediscovering CB without the stress and it's fun

Fatil1ty March 11 2009 10:19 PM EDT

I do not understand this myth about not being able to perform without spending money. Sure sure, I have spent considerable USD on this game (approx $80) I missed my entire NUB so I didn't have any money to start. This was my first attempt at an NCB and I will finish easily above 3.5M MPR.

I have only bought BA in the past month or so (except for buying BA for the past 2-3 months during xp times) and I missed an entire week of fighting because of vacation.

Fatil1ty March 11 2009 10:22 PM EDT

Reaching the top is about strategy NOT USD! Here are my key things to do to succeed:

1. Take loans but manage them wisely and consider before hand how important the money is to you and what it's going towards

2. Don't hire early

3. Don't buy/upgrade stuff you don't need. For example I would propose that any AC focused armor is largely detrimental to an NCB until like 1.5M mpr as they most likely will only increase your PR without providing any new opponents.

Those are things that should be explained to people considering NCB's! NOT the discouraging idea that success is impossible and it's better to never try.

Fatil1ty March 11 2009 10:25 PM EDT

Oh and I forgot...RENT instead of BUY!!!

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] March 12 2009 12:23 AM EDT

there are plenty of examples of people who have gone as far as defeating the top without $USD

I'm weary of this thread and all it's siblings

Rawr March 12 2009 12:33 AM EDT

"Oh and I forgot...RENT instead of BUY!!"

Nooooo!
No no no no!
Buy instead of rent! Relying on rented items is not good! It is a big use of money, which could be spent improving your own items.

QBRanger March 12 2009 12:38 AM EDT

Welcome to CB.

This is the way Jon wants it and the way it will be.

Plenty of us have proposed a Rolling Bonus but it is not meant to be.

Many other proposals have been made including a grace period before your NUB begins to get you acclimated to the game.

I liken the N*B to an addictive drug that you go cold turkey one day. That is what happens when your N*B rewards leave.

I am seriously thinking about a NCB run, however, it is likely I will not due to the excessive cost of making a top run.

HOWEVER.... this game is more then who is at the top. It is a community.

So either save up for a top run, or spend no money on BA and be happy about 2-3M MPR if you use most your BA.

But I do agree, it is quite the shock losing your NUB rewards overnight. Welcome to how most of us old timers played CB from day 1. With these rewards every day.

Rawr March 12 2009 12:39 AM EDT

Sorry Fatility lol...

"1. Take loans but manage them wisely and consider before hand how important the money is to you and what it's going towards

2. Don't hire early "

#1. Don't take loans if you don't need to. Interest rates will kill you, especially without NUB. It is better to save money, at least thats what I would do.

#2. Well, this depends on his choice of strategy. If he knows he wants to be 4-minion when his NCB ends, then for what reason should he not hire early? Hiring minions at high MPR's are costly.

TheHatchetman March 12 2009 12:46 AM EDT

heh...

Fatil1ty March 12 2009 12:56 AM EDT

alright...well first off, when you are a New user it isn't worth saving up 3M for a Corn when there a ton of them at 40k/7 days.

That works out to:

for the price of buying a +0 corn you can rent a +8-9 one for 525 days!

DON"T MAKE ME DO THE MATH ON WHAT AN AOF WOULD COST TO BUY

and thats before the cost to upgrade the bought one. If your goal is character growth instead of accumulating items I would suggest that a new user save their money and buy a tatoo, and if they're a tank their good item. Those items are hard to rent and integral to a strategy and in the case of weapon are a much better use of money than saving up millions for items

{Wookie}-Jir.Vr- March 12 2009 1:32 AM EDT

Just my shock /rant :) I get it now. I just wasn't expecting it to be so different :D

Guess I get to start planning my next ncb

TheHatchetman March 12 2009 1:57 AM EDT

"and thats before the cost to upgrade the bought one. If your goal is character growth instead of accumulating items I would suggest that a new user save their money and buy a tatoo, and if they're a tank their good item. Those items are hard to rent and integral to a strategy and in the case of weapon are a much better use of money than saving up millions for items "

Thanks for a comment that I can actually take seriously ^_^

This is one good plan, however it does have downsides. Rentals should not be used as long-term solutions, due to sporadic availability, and the lack of potential return. However, there are many who put themselves in large amounts of debt, causing their gameplay to seem laborious, and having very little freedom to shift strategy, just so that they could buy items that they could easily enough find in rentals (or through a solicited rental via FS/WTB) and depending on the terms, they often pay more in interest than the rentals would have costed (Been there, done that! :P).

Another thing is the myth that getting a tattoo should always be a beginner's first step. Supportership should be the first step, and since you can pay for it (by paying another player) with in-game money, there's really no reason not to if you're playing mage. Tanks however, should spend the entirety of the first 5m on their weapon of choice before making other endeavors.

After that, the most cost-effective means would be to buy items first to save on the cost of rentals, and to pick up a tattoo somewhere in the 2-3m lvl range, where they sell for less than 20% of their net worth and their inflated base cost is nullified. This way, you not only save money, you're able to end any decent run with a 4-6m tat. So long as you make a decent run, this results in a decent character, a large tattoo, and a cash reserve at the end of your NUB so that you have the mobility to supersize your gear, change strats, and/or hire minions, or in the case you wanna take another shot, ya got some flow for a NCB run. That's if you don't go Jai Alai (+2 if ya get the reference) and dump everything into your strategy on the way up ^_^



Haloki March 12 2009 2:23 AM EDT

what i hear a cry ...................... wait not my new born it's you !!!!!!

QBJohnnywas March 12 2009 2:48 AM EDT

I'm running an NCB right now to do some tattoo levelling for myself. I've bought NO BA whatsoever. None at all. I've over two months left to go and I'm at 1.6 million MPR. I also missed a couple of weeks over Christmas because of the holidays and computer problems.

Admittedly this char is not going to trouble the top ten by the time I'm finished the NCB, but at least I won't be lookng at a huge outlay and a final disappointment to go with it.

Brakke Bres [Ow man] March 12 2009 3:41 AM EDT

"A ton of corns in rentals at 40k/7days", well not really. You just have to be lucky to get one these days.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] March 12 2009 4:14 AM EDT

"there are plenty of examples of people who have gone as far as defeating the top without $USD"

Who Novice?

NCB runners here, not NUB (and some of those sceptical new players at best).

If you can, then the whole restart Tax is bunk anyway, and we might just as well remove the increased NCB cost.

I'm sure a lot more players would be enjoying CB if we did that.

three4thsforsaken March 12 2009 5:56 AM EDT

usually I would be against that idea. But looking at people's disenchantment in the game after a 6 month NCB, I seriously think we should throw the community a bone and lower the NCB cost.

It may not be the best thing to do game balance wise, but this game should make that sacrifice to retain its community.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] March 12 2009 10:38 AM EDT

giving in has never produced the stated results... in fact mostly the opposite

GL: I'll give you a hint He's the sized of buick wildcat and has posted more than once in this thread... Other examples could include DrAcO, and the true #1 PoisoN.

QBRanger March 12 2009 10:58 AM EDT

First of all, Poison is not a NCB.

Second of all, Draco took out the top character at the time using a very broken skill which has since been fixed.

This thread is about N*B's who cannot make a run at the top without massive USD influence.

QBRanger March 12 2009 11:00 AM EDT

And if your referring to 3/4th's, his character is incredible.

However, he will never get to the top without more minions and how can he afford them without USD. 60+ million per? or more?

NCBers need a break to keep the game interesting. Without it, you get 1 new person every year or so making a top run.

Marlfox [Cult of the Valaraukar] March 12 2009 11:18 AM EDT

I think it's around 80M each for 3/4ths...

Guardian March 12 2009 11:43 AM EDT

i dont like the idea of rentals.

i just retired my ncn at 1.3m mpr and i have expent about 30 milion on gear to my tank and enchanter (4 minions team).
I think its all about what u want. my focus was to buy all gear so in the end of my ncb i could start a new one and have equipments and cash avaliable to focus in growth.

I doubt any new user can do a sucessfully run to top in his first try, even coz he must learn first.

Wasp [Demon Forging] March 12 2009 12:07 PM EDT

Rentals is a great idea. If you can afford something rent it whilst you save up. Beats getting a loan and paying interest. Strat change? Rent something else : ) So easy

Lord Bob March 12 2009 12:51 PM EDT

"This thread is about N*B's who cannot make a run at the top without massive USD influence."

I thought it was about how non-N*Bs are screwed.

QBRanger March 12 2009 2:03 PM EDT

Yes,

That as well.

It is all in the same vein of thought.

Right now I am playing with a NCB and the rewards are quite addicting.

I get almost 300k on my single minion with a run of 160 BA. Quite nice to see my AS jump up a bit.

Compared to the rewards that I got with Koy, this is quite fun.

If the cost of the NCB was cheaper, I would certainly do one.

But I would most of all like to see a rolling bonus to keep characters one has open for nice growth.

I get attached to some of my characters and really dislike the idea of disposable characters that some in CB seem to enjoy.
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