Is the NUB tag effective? (in General)


Rawr October 23 2009 12:23 AM EDT

Is it really effective to have the red "note" for NUB's making FS/WTB transactions? All it does is maybe deter the NUB's that sell out during the run. If a NUB is intent on selling one can just use the full 6 months then sell... right?

Lord Bob October 23 2009 12:27 AM EDT

Yep.

Demigod October 23 2009 12:30 AM EDT

Yep. But I really wouldn't mind the sign if it weren't the scarlet red sentence of shame.

Kefeck [BlackSmith] October 23 2009 12:43 AM EDT

we shall see how effective it is ;)..

http://www.carnageblender.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002uWp

Lord Bob October 23 2009 12:46 AM EDT

"But I really wouldn't mind the sign if it weren't the scarlet red sentence of shame."

I don't much care for the branding either, and I hate the N*B.

Shark October 24 2009 7:15 AM EDT


No. its not going to work in the Big Picture until CB stops handing out things to them like its NUB candy and a free for all.

Everyone just needs to stop buying their stuff..all inclusive..

I don't want to dislike them as people but I do anyway bec they are abusing the game IMO..but on the other hand they can't abuse it unless YOU all let them

sorry I'm not suppose to be here so this post doesn't exist..

So the answer is NO its just a TAG

AdminNightStrike October 24 2009 7:22 AM EDT

It goes both ways. We should not only want to be deterring the selling, but encouraging the buying. I would hope that if people see a new user post a WTB thread, that the average CB vet would try to help that new user.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 24 2009 8:12 AM EDT

that is one reason i liked the idea of the NUBUserName format rather than the current one, it could move this beyond the fs/wtb forums and possibly become more positive than negative.

Zenai October 24 2009 3:41 PM EDT

I could get behind that idea dudemus. The idea would be better in my opinion as it is not just one thing. Of course I think it was mentioned before that it could also be a great Right of Passage that when their NUB is over that they lose the Tag.

Eurynome Bartleby [Bartleby's] October 24 2009 5:08 PM EDT

Tag = better than a warning. A warning is negative, while a tag is more descriptive. Also, a tag will better identify who to help as well as who to (maybe) not buy from.

Underage Drinking [Battle Royale] October 27 2009 7:24 PM EDT

the warning is not negative, it brings negative attention to that user. but i find it informative, buy from who you know.

AdminShade October 28 2009 2:24 AM EDT

I'd say it is effective: a NUB tried to sell his 4 mil level tattoo but did not get any buyer. Instead yesterday evening (my time) it was found in the armor store.

Godpanda October 28 2009 3:05 AM EDT

Shade,

Are you serious? He was selling for CB and didn't find a buyer. If the tag had ANYTHING to do with that, it should be removed immediately. If a NUB can't play the game properly because of it, well, let's just remove it. Seriously.

If it had been for USD, I totally get it. But claiming that it's working because a player can't sell an item for CB..... I hope you were being ironic and I just didn't pick up on it. Totally possible.

kevlar October 28 2009 3:46 AM EDT

I'm not a huge fan of the red shame.. it's almost like if anyone does any business with that person they will be forever cast into the flaming pit of dantes darkest inferno. I think it should be more subtle if anything. CB profiling .. no thanks.

AdminShade October 28 2009 3:51 AM EDT

GW: I'm not saying he is or is not selling for USD. Perhaps he would try to sell for CB first and sell the CB then?

Anyway, he couldn't sell it but why sell a 4 mil level tattoo if you continue to play...

kevlar October 28 2009 4:00 AM EDT

I don't know if it has been suggested before, but what about a time frame before somoene can sell out? Make it where a NUB can't transfer it's gear or money to anyone else for a certain amount of time after their nub... and if there is inactivity after that time and they come back and try to sell then just reset or delete? And if someone dukes it out up until that grace period then good for them, but if they sell log their ip and ban anything created in the future?

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] October 28 2009 4:03 AM EDT

Shade, that is exactly the wrong thinking that you are coming to. And just from you saying that I want the red tag removed. He was selling for cbd that does not mean anything towards whether or not he is selling out. He could be just saving money to buy a bigger tat or preparing to run an ncb. I know that I sold my tat when I was still a nub because I had realized that I wasn't about to get anywhere near the top with how I was going and so I started prepping for an ncb run as soon as my nub ended. Anyways, he would have to make another thread saying he was selling out. If a nub selling something and that red writing shows up and then the first thing you think of is nub sellout then I definitely do not want it there.

iBananco [Blue Army] October 28 2009 4:05 AM EDT

Just for reference, it was this guy. That being said, I still disapprove of the warning.

Levon [Clocked Out] October 28 2009 5:26 AM EDT

sorry guys, i'm going to have to agree with Shade here.. Mr. Chairman and i have had ourselves a meeting and have agreed that a NUB should be discouraged from selling things outside of the auction house for any form of cash.. also, with the tattoo artist and salvage yard, it's probably for their own good if they hang on to their equipment for more than a few months to see what happens.. that is, of course, if they're going to be playing in a few months

Wraithlin October 28 2009 1:07 PM EDT

I don't think you should be able to own items while you're a NUB, then you couldn't sell out. And all the people that aren't that great at this game but don't have NUB anymore wouldn't have as much to fear from the new guys kicking them around.

QBRanger October 28 2009 1:11 PM EDT

"Are you serious? He was selling for CB and didn't find a buyer. If the tag had ANYTHING to do with that, it should be removed immediately. If a NUB can't play the game properly because of it, well, let's just remove it. Seriously.

If it had been for USD, I totally get it. But claiming that it's working because a player can't sell an item for CB..... I hope you were being ironic and I just didn't pick up on it. Totally possible. "

This was KFCO who was selling all his CB for USD. He is and was trying to sell his items for CB to then sell for USD. No ifs, ands or buts about it.

And if the tag stopped someone from buying his tattoo so he could then sell that CB for USD, then it WORKED!

The NUB is supposed to give new players the ability to catch up to the older ones.

It is NOT supposed to be a way to make quick USD as people like KFCO try to do.

AdminShade October 28 2009 1:54 PM EDT

I can understand that people find my 'opinion' wrong. Therefore I should let people know that what I said actually is not my opinion. It was just an observation which proves nothing.

I am merely pointing out that someone could have read the thread and interpret it as someone selling out. It's a shame to see such a big tattoo end up in the store, that was my main point.

[RX3]Cotillion (A Murder of Gods) 24.174.186.50 buy A Halidon Familiar ($#######)

Currently it has been bought back by someone, but for a bigger price (15 mil) than what the seller (who happened to have a NUB) was selling it for.


If the thread was saying selling for USD, then I completely agree that it should be mistrusted. It didn't however and I find it sad that nobody needed it (or that the seller didn't have more patience). So please don't worry that I am thinking strange things and be relieved that I support your (GW's / Nem's) opinions. My apology for my poor initial wording.

DrAcO5676 [The Knighthood III] October 28 2009 2:04 PM EDT

"If the thread was saying selling for USD, then I completely agree that it should be mistrusted. It didn't however and I find it sad that nobody needed it (or that the seller didn't have more patience). So please don't worry that I am thinking strange things and be relieved that I support your (GW's / Nem's) opinions. My apology for my poor initial wording."

Actually the thread did say selling for USD Only... so it should be mistrusted... He has been trying to sell everything since September 8th... and I have no problem buying items from him... but I will not buy his CB... Let the CB stay on his char... and if he ever gets back to playing then so be it.... It is way too "convenient" to sell everything while still in NUB

AdminShade October 28 2009 2:09 PM EDT

Draco: the player I was talking about was not, he was selling for CB cash... or at least in that specific thread.

DrAcO5676 [The Knighthood III] October 28 2009 2:14 PM EDT

this came first...

DrAcO5676 [The Knighthood III] October 28 2009 2:15 PM EDT

For 16 days or more he has been trying to sell all that for USD and such... has not been doing anything other than logging on trying to sell his stuff.... hasn't even fought.

Godpanda October 28 2009 2:36 PM EDT

I'm sorry, more and more this entire arguments seems more wrong. It is NO ONE'S business what NUBs do with their cash. The NUB is to give them exp and cash, nothing else. They can CHOOSE to spend it on the game or USD. Just like a veteran who chooses to spend their CB for USD and in the 6/20. Are they not misusing the system as much as anyone else?

Is someone who had the NUB two years ago and now has a massive character and sells for USD not doing the same thing, just on a delay?

AdminShade October 28 2009 2:43 PM EDT

GW: that depends on whether or not that player also has used USD in the game.

Even I, who have never spent a single USD in this game, would do bad to the game if I would sell out, even after 6 years of playing it.

Demigod October 28 2009 2:46 PM EDT

Ultimately, Fel/GW is right. I hate seeing players sell out just as much as the next person, but the whole argument of "they haven't earned it" is weak. They clicked the fight button and earned the CB. What they do with it is up to them, and creating a mob is not helping the community. Yes, it's clearly a problem. But if you want to stop the problem, then the admins need to push for a better setup than the N*B.

QBRanger October 28 2009 2:47 PM EDT

Selling out during the NUB is wrong. If they want to sell out after 2 years, fine.

But allowing people to sell out during their NUB is just promoting multi behaviors.

It is certainly our business as a community to try to keep the integrity of the game honest.

But this person in particular has been selling CB2 for USD for a while and then tries for 2+ weeks to sell his items ONLY for USD.

When that failed, he tried an end round and started selling for CB2. It does not take a rocket scientist to see the next FS post about selling CB2 for USD.

While opinions are appreciated, please do not try to shove yours down our throats. There is NO NEED TO USE CAPITAL LETTERS IN EVERY ONE OF YOUR RANTS.

Time to get off the moral high horse you're on and see how really things are.

Demigod October 28 2009 3:33 PM EDT

"Selling out during the NUB is wrong. If they want to sell out after 2 years, fine."

While I agree, you need to remember that it's not "wrong" according to Jon. He chose to allow it. As frustrating as it is, it's allowed.


"But allowing people to sell out during their NUB is just promoting multi behaviors."

Yep, but don't blame the symptom. Being tempted with large sums of money and valuable items is just a product of the N*B. It's the same disease that broke the concept of upgrading weapon and armor types. Get rid of the disease, and the symptoms will go away.

Wraithlin October 28 2009 4:41 PM EDT

""Selling out during the NUB is wrong. If they want to sell out after 2 years, fine."

While I agree, you need to remember that it's not "wrong" according to Jon. He chose to allow it. As frustrating as it is, it's allowed."

The flawed logic of all you NUB haters cracks me up more and more everyday. If i'm ever feeling sad or unhappy about anything, I just have to come read the very amusing rants of anti-NUBists and I get a smile on my face.

Also, Jon is probably my favorite admin at the moment as he seems to be alot more logical than most.

[RX3]Cotillion October 28 2009 4:43 PM EDT

If tagging a NUB will make more people aware of who they are buying from, and this deters a NUB from being able to sell cash, then I am all for it.


We all know what the NUB was created for, and allowing people to generate money faster so that they can sellout quicker and create a new account and do it over again is not one of them.

QBRanger October 28 2009 4:55 PM EDT

Wrath,

A few things.

1) I am not a NUB hater. I am a NUB sellout hater. Huge difference I hope you can see.

2) It is very easy to say the NUB is great when you start a game after 5 years and get a huge bonus. But try to think about all those that kept the game going those 5 years and the pitiful rewards we have gotten during that entire time.

3) For years the NUB has been abused with multi after multi playing and selling out. So yes, the NUB has a bad taste in a lot of us older players mouths.

4) If you cannot see the difference between a good NUBer like Joel, and a sellout like KFCO, perhaps you need to quit posting stupid comments that generalize the community into something they are not.

5) Seeing NUBers post and think they are entitled to everything players 5+ years into the game have, just makes me sick to my stomach.

6) I would love to listen to what you think is the "flawed logic" of us "NUB haters". As opposed to the great logic NUBers have? Yea, that's the ticket!

Wraithlin October 28 2009 5:04 PM EDT

How many NUBs are buying the sellouts stuff?

How many 5 year vets are buying the sellouts stuff?

Seems to be a love/hate relationship to me.

And, even if NUBs are buying a bunch of stuff from other NUBs, why would you care if the NUBs are all just making money off each other.

Getting angry about someone playing this game just to try to make money off you is like getting mad at McDonald's commercials. Just because you don't like thier product doesn't mean this community doesn't.

Godpanda October 28 2009 9:47 PM EDT

"Wrath,

A few things.

1) I am not a NUB hater. I am a NUB sellout hater. Huge difference I hope you can see."

There is definitely a difference in who you hate, but it doesn't make the hate any less illogical or unfair. You hate someone for doing something for money? I mean, your hate is worse than someone saying "I hate Democrats." I mean, at least in that case, what you've labeled them as has SOME relationship to who they are as a person.

But here, you hate someone (HATE. Strong word, honestly) for how they make money? Why not hate garbage men? Or librarians. Darn them and their love of books. Or we could all hate dog catchers (Animal cruelty makes Santa cry). You're welcome to your hate, of course, but don't expect others to agree because your hate is somehow morally right. I accept that you believe you should hate them, but I don't. And I can't imagine a scenario in which it would be -right- for me to.

"2) It is very easy to say the NUB is great when you start a game after 5 years and get a huge bonus. But try to think about all those that kept the game going those 5 years and the pitiful rewards we have gotten during that entire time."

That has ZERO impact. Sorry. A player contributes to the community, NOT the game itself. Your 10 dollar supportership fee does not entitle you to setting rules and standards on other people who, in time, will also pay their fee. You're not better than them. You've just been here longer. I think of this like a movie theater. You payed your fee first. You get to pick your seat. Find and dandy. You do not get to tell me after I come in where I'm allowed to sit, what I'm allowed to eat. We're both just views in this situation, with nothing owed either way, or, honestly, any respect due. Though I understand if some new players give respect. =)



"3) For years the NUB has been abused with multi after multi playing and selling out. So yes, the NUB has a bad taste in a lot of us older players mouths."

I'm sorry. I don't like that they break the rules either. But this is a terrible road to go down. It's the same kind of reasoning that leads to racial profiling and waiters not wanting to server certain people (Like me! I tip well. Not sure why they think I don't, but I do. Promise.)

A person can always point out certain things that they don't agree with happening among certain types of people (In this case, new players who create multiple accounts to gain large amounts of CB to sell for USD with the NUB) But that, obviously, does not mean they all do. And, because of that, it is straight WRONG to treat any of them differently. Find the multis, punish them. Of course. Don't punish them all or treat them badly based on suspicion. It is a dark road to take, even in something as playful as a game.

"4) If you cannot see the difference between a good NUBer like Joel, and a sellout like KFCO, perhaps you need to quit posting stupid comments that generalize the community into something they are not."

Seriously, Ranger, you may want to stop using negative adjective about other people. It lessens your arguments. How seriously should I take you when you're reduced to calling another person's opinion "stupid". But, I'm a big fan for an eye for an eye. So.

Your 4th point is stupid. Lets continue.

"5) Seeing NUBers post and think they are entitled to everything players 5+ years into the game have, just makes me sick to my stomach."

They are equally entitled to the oppurtunity to reach it. Which was the point of the NUB. They didn't have it before hand, not realisitically. If you think ANYONE is going to spend 5 years in a game to reach the current player's spot, KNOWING that the other player will have their own 5 years (Of superior growth) to grow... Well... Without the NUB, why play? No competition would exist. Sorry.

"6) I would love to listen to what you think is the "flawed logic" of us "NUB haters". As opposed to the great logic NUBers have? Yea, that's the ticket!"

What ticket? I'm confused. Well, I pointed out your flawed logic. I think, at least. I am rather slow =)

As for the logic of supporting the NUB? Is that what you meant? That's REALLY simple. That's the best part. Simple self satisfaction. I support them because variety and freshness is good, and I'll tolerate the bad to get the good. With a smile on my face, my good sir. I support them because I ADORE this game, and would like to see it grow. ANYTHING at all that would increase player base would be fantastic in my mind.

Full reset? Sure. I don't mind. As long as we get some new players. As long as I get to see CB grow. (I would like to note I'd hate to see it happen. But, as the machines said, there are levels of existense we're willing to accept..... I think that's what he said, at least."

This was a pretty long post. And it'll be my last in the thread. Scouts honor (I've never been a scout, but I'm sure their honor is good.) If you wish to further discuss my post for some reason (I'm an idiot, trust me, you have better things to do), feel free to CM me. UNless you disagree with me! Then I'll just troll you and call you stupid and ignorant and *sigh* at you. Obviously.)

Rawr October 28 2009 10:48 PM EDT

"But allowing people to sell out during their NUB is just promoting multi behaviors."

NOPE.

BUYING from NUB's during their NUB promotes multi behaviors.

Zenai October 28 2009 10:54 PM EDT

Wow a lot of stuff said and things gone back and forth on one subject. Admitted this is a hot subject and you know what so far there has been a ton of good points made. Although I have to say the cynicism and sarcasm has been extremely thick.

Point Blank If the NUB was the Norm I would think that this Vicious Cycle would likely end. Meaning if there was a Chance at the NUB for every Single Person say Once a year then this would likely stop.

Truth the NCB while a nice touch is too expensive due to BA Costs.

Truth NUBs get their BA free plus Extra Cash and vets are Pissy/Jealous about it.

Truth Vets buy from NUBs to stay afloat and remain competitive with other NUBs that are actually putting theirs to use.

Truth Give EVERYONE equal grounds and see the crapstorm stop.


Either: Give everyone a chance at the NUB just like the NCB say once a year and Scrap the NCB program. Honestly I think the NCB Program is a Failure rather than equal the odds it has furthered the problem just in a different way.

Or: Institute what many have asked for since the beginning some Type of a "Rolling Bonus" that EVERYONE can benefit from equally.


Now mind you these are Truths as I see them in other words they are my opinion. So you have the right to not agree if you so choose.

Wraithlin October 28 2009 11:24 PM EDT

The real problem with the current system is actually fairly simple.

The goal of the admins is to make a game that is competitive for the dedicated players, but that new players can eventually compete in. However with the current method to achieve this goal, it forces the older players to become cynical because the new players are getting larger and larger rewards just because they showed up later, and it gives the older players nothing in return.

The reason that this happens is because the game has no ceiling to the player growth, in fact it's almost linear, which is just a horrible design when you take into account how the NUB bonus works.

A much better system would be to remove the NUB bonus completly, today, no questions asked. Step two is to take the larget team MPR in the game, maybe add like 5% or so to it, round it to a nice even number and make that the cap for the game. Step three, add a max level tournament style system where once you are at max MPR you can compete with everyone else on that level, when you do fights against others like that you no longer gain exp, although you still gain money. Instead you gain tournament points, which would be similar to clan points, it shows who the best people are at a given time and could even lead to rewards like the best player in a month gets a special unique item.

These unique items could be as simple as just upgraded versions of current items.

Alternately you could just make the tournament points permanent like a new form of currency and have these items available in a special store to purchase with the new currency.

Although this sounds like a major overhaul, it actually doesn't change too much for the top guys other than it would give them something alot more tangable to compete for. With the current system the top guys are really at the same level, you can see who is winning with the rate that they gain MPR at. If you capped MPR, then you would see who is winning with the rate they gain tournament points.

Now on top of all this, since you got rid of the NUB bonus all us new people are now 5 years away from competing with those top guys, we have to work our way up through the ranks over the next five years just like the original guys had to, and five years from now if we stick with it, we can compete in the max MPR tournament too.

Yep, I'm only 1 month into my NUB and I'm volunteering to ditch it already to make the game better.

RaptorX October 29 2009 1:08 AM EDT

When I was a NUB, I sold out for personal reasons I also put money into the game as a NUB since my 4 minion team with a BL tank was still more expensive to build than what I was earning with playing
(I also bought some BA frequently, though I didn't play on weekends), I spent about $150-200 and sold out for about $300-400 USD, It seemed like for the several months of time invested I came out about right So what? I didn't plan to sell out. And I wasn't cheating.(Now, of course, I wish I had not sold out - the NCB is very hard without previously-bought gear and BA is too pricey.) But even before with the NUB I never gave any of the other really large characters in any competition (they were about double my MPR, even after I bought a larger character) but I got to about 25th or so. It was fun. I had the largest single hit in my Realm, maybe the game, for a while)
Now it is different, I don't know why, but the NUB seems much more powerful (or maybe they are just smarter at the game) but the bonus now can actually take a NUB close to the top. So I see the 'heavily invested players' issue. It really isn't fair. It seems there ought to be a compromise somewhere.
The Challenge is to make it fun and challenging for the new player as well as the established ones. But I guess that isn't easy.
Maybe Wraithlin has a good idea? - maybe a rolling bonus, maybe leave it as it is, and just give the NUB a little less money.? Maybe keep the Realms separate and only allow NUBs to get to about 2/3 of the top MPR, and let them have to battle up slowly from there? Are the NUB's really that much of a threat to top players who have huge weapons? etc? (Oh ya, ENC is now messing with that - maybe ENC could be lifted some for 'senior' players to help them keep their edge, and even be able to use a normal Tank again?) I don't know, you guys are the geniuses - I am sure we could come up with something.
(And Jon may even like it.)
I kinda like the NUB with no transfer idea. Or perhaps don't allow characters or Tat's to be sold? That wouldn't fix the money laundering issue totally, but then there would at least be more 'dead' bodies floating around to farm. :) I would like that. It's Morbid though, huh? That's OK, It is almost Halloweeeeeen.

AdminNightStrike October 29 2009 1:43 AM EDT

I kind of skimmed this thread, since it wouldn't be here if not for a recent action of mine.

I could really use a few of those "summary posts" I see floating about. Is that Marlfox doing it?


Anyway, here's my thoughts for now. I would like to see people as a community take care to observe FS/WTB posts from new players, and to patronize them in a way that best benefits the game. People look at the tag and say "You hate new players!" But is that really it? No. There's two sides to the coin.

The other side is that a new player who puts an ad up saying "Please buy my katana that I paid $2m for on a scam from AoD when he told me it'd make my mage better!" (Sorry, AoD....... I thought it'd be funny :)

The same tag that says "this NUB is selling out, spend your time elsewhere" also says "this NUB is trying to succeed.. please be charitable and help him out.... buy his stuff above market value, sell him stuff under market value... be overall nice to this guy."

Please understand that aspect of the tag before going crazy over curbing USD sales.

AdminNightStrike October 29 2009 1:44 AM EDT

I guess I should have put Gun in there... he'd probably take the joke better...... :)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] October 29 2009 5:47 AM EDT

I too have skimmed the last portion of this thread, but want to touch on something GW said earlier.

It's up the NUB what they want to do, no one else.

And that's true. It doesn't matter when they sell out. How, or how much for. It doesn't matter if they give all thier gear to Tourny prizes, or retire characters to take gear out of the game.

It's absolultely their choice, and we, as a community, shouldn't influence it one way or another.

But.

And there's always a but!

That isn't the problem here. People are glossing over the real problem, with selling out while in your NUB period the main distraction.

The problem here (and it's a hard one to recognise) is intent.

Is a new player joining, and then selling out becuse they intended to play, and just didn't get on with CB?

Or did the 'new' (sometimes old...) player join, with the intention of not really playing CB, but to just fleece the game for some extra cash?

It's the second that is the problem, with selling out during NUB time just a symptom.

What we should be encouraging is a change to CBs gameplay that makes it unattractive to a 'new' player to come in, just for the purpose to play for some months, and sell out. It's not good for the game, nor the community.

Trying to stop NUB selling misses the fundamental problem, and is shutting the gate after the horses have bolted.

;)

Solare October 29 2009 6:49 AM EDT

I disagree with allowing USD selling/buying PERIOD. I don't think its a good element of this game at all.
Why work hard to get to the top when you can just buy your way to the top?
Seriously... kills the competition.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] October 29 2009 6:59 AM EDT

You can't stop it, unless you stop all player to player transfers.

Solar, there's always the no transfer character idea that's being discussed/polled about atm. ;)

Marlfox [Cult of the Valaraukar] October 29 2009 4:05 PM EDT

I kind of gave up on those summaries, and am glad I did after seeing post sizes in this thread.

iBananco [Blue Army] October 29 2009 4:38 PM EDT

People without USD would be forced to forgo supporterships and item namings. Not a good thing at all.

AdminNightStrike November 7 2009 10:18 AM EST

Marl, darn.

JS, true indeed.

To anyone else, please consider that we as CB like to help and encourage new users that are staying in for the long haul.

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] November 7 2009 6:11 PM EST

Maybe off topic, but I'm all for keeping the "Multiple Accounts Are Not Allowed" at the top of the main page.

Zenai November 7 2009 7:15 PM EST

{cb1}smallpau1 :

Not off-topic IMHO it is related and I totally agree. Make that a Permanent Header for CB then there should not be any "Well I didn't know!" excuses what-so-ever concerning multiple accounts.

AdminNightStrike November 11 2009 5:52 PM EST

Ok, so I changed the new user note to black, and I Added the following for another user category that I thought it'd be a good idea to highlight...

**Warning: This user is currently labelled as a credit risk!

Eurynome Bartleby [Bartleby's] November 11 2009 7:06 PM EST

A lot better in black/a better use of red :P

AdminNightStrike November 11 2009 7:18 PM EST

:)

RaptorX November 11 2009 7:22 PM EST

I like both changes also. Red = bad - Black = OK - I think the red tag was a discouragement for newer players making them feel as outsiders. Hmm, BTW I still feel like an outsider half the time too. Except a few kind warm souls who do lend me a hand pretty often. My clan mates are cool. Verifex won't even say Hi to me. And we used to be conversationally friendly at least. :-P Maybe it's because I called him 'Fexy' - if so I apologize.

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 November 11 2009 7:45 PM EST

He prefers sexy fexy.

Demigod November 11 2009 10:17 PM EST

Love the change. Thanks!

QBsutekh137 November 11 2009 10:43 PM EST

This has probably been brought up, but... If someone is a supporter, we turn this off, right? Even in black?

They've paid for the game. KFCO has red text (was before the change to black, I guess) under a recent FS thread, and he's a supporter as far as I can tell.

I could ask another way... How much money, real money, does one have to give before the vociferous bold-face goes away?

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 November 12 2009 12:19 AM EST

Whatever six months of time is worth to them.

QBsutekh137 November 12 2009 9:23 AM EST

Slayer, who is "them"...? I was trying (probably not too clearly) to state that a supporter should not have a big warning next to their name, ever. Buying a supportership is at least a good-faith effort to show some community link and support of the game creator(s). If that person wants to sell stuff, even while still in bonus, why should he/she need any sort of branding?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] November 12 2009 9:28 AM EST

Becuase that wouldn't discourage NUB selling out Sute. ;)

All a potential NUB sellout would then do is spend a couple of mil from the tens of Mil they want to sell on supportership first.

Making this preventative effort moot.

(I stil think it's closing the stable door after the horses have bolted though.)

QBsutekh137 November 12 2009 9:33 AM EST

I don't want to DIScourage selling out. I want to ENcourage community activity and supporting of the game makers.

Carrots are always always more effective than sticks. If someone is a supporter and dabbles in the community and still want to sell out, more power to them. We can't have a "worth" argument on every scenario and say "this sellout is OK" and "this sell-out is not OK". Everyone has reasons for doing what they do, and it's frankly none of the community's business.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] November 12 2009 9:36 AM EST

;) That's more or less what I said above mate. ;)

AdminNightStrike November 12 2009 2:46 PM EST

Supportership doesn't mean we shouldn't help people.

The tag is not just to stop people selling out. It's to flag people that we should pay extra attention to. That includes doing things like saying "Hey, this is a new player. I'll give him the katana he wants for free." -- or whatever equivalent.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] November 12 2009 5:29 PM EST

Maybe the suggested NUB tag would help with that a little more? As the note only shows up in FS/WTB.

AdminQBVerifex [Serenity In Chaos] November 12 2009 6:12 PM EST

Hey raptor! I don't recall brushing you off, but I am kinda busy :)

AdminNightStrike November 13 2009 7:39 AM EST

GL - How do you mean?

Demigod November 13 2009 8:06 AM EST

It sounds like he's saying a NUB nametag (like QB) that's ever-present for those six months would do more for helping than just a mostly-warning sentence that shows up in FS/WTB posts.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] November 13 2009 8:28 AM EST

This it! ;)

I'm sure I saw mention from someone for a Tag (like the QB or Admin one) instead of the note.

The note seems to be there only to discourage buying from a potential seller out. If it's intention is not that, but to make a new user more noticable, so that people might want to help them out in other ways/areas, then a name Tag would help achive that more so than a note you'll only see if you're looking in FS/WTB thread intending to purchase goods from someone (potentially) selling out.

If that makes sense. ;)

Zenai November 13 2009 9:45 AM EST

GL - It does make sense. It has been said before by others and I support te idea myself. Having a NUB nametag would be beneficial in many ways and losing it after the 6 Month time period would be like a Rigt of Passage. Your NUB is done welcome to the ranks of CB!

See it how you want folks but truth is truth most NUBS are not considered a part of the CB Ranks until they are done. Even then they are closely watched and looked upon with disdain if they sell anthing. Something positive should be put in place I think the NUB Nametag should be it.

Sut - To a point I agree but when you favor one crowd over the other then you get resentment, frustration, disdain, and malcontentment all of which leads to player loss. Vets keep the fire lit, New Players bring in new life. Which one is more important? This is a precarious balance no matter which way you slice it.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 13 2009 9:46 AM EST

dudemus October 24 8:12 AM EDT
that is one reason i liked the idea of the NUBUserName format rather than the current one, it could move this beyond the fs/wtb forums and possibly become more positive than negative.

Kefeck [BlackSmith] November 16 2009 10:25 PM EST

http://www.carnageblender.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002vbR

Notice the rather ineffective nub tag.? This user's nub ran out just within the month.

QBRanger November 16 2009 10:28 PM EST

Yes,

Yet another NUB sellout.

Demigod November 16 2009 11:05 PM EST

Wow. I didn't expect that. It's a shame, but sell-outs really are killing the community. Since cash transactions can't be banned, can we at least take another look at "The Bank of Jon?" If Jon is willing to maintain a fair market value of lending, it will devalue sellouts. It will also bring more revenue to the game... but it will cause an outcry of "USD is OP!"

QBRanger November 16 2009 11:06 PM EST

Demi,

You really did not expect that? Really?

Demigod November 16 2009 11:17 PM EST

Ranger,

I was partly being nice and partly being optimistic that Burton would actually start a NCB. Obviously selling the big tat wasn't a sign of good intent.

QBsutekh137 November 17 2009 12:05 AM EST

For all you know, he will start an NCB.

Not everyone does it with a lot of cash. Not everyone even _cares_.

Some folks just have fun.

This is why I am starting to think any label at all is wrong. Like a nerf on an item that was a buff on an item that was a nerf on an item that was a buff on an item that was a nerf on an item...

If the NUB is broken, fix that. Don't start patching it by putting a scarlet letter on it.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] November 17 2009 3:42 AM EST

Exactly. ;)

It's what I posed way up in the thread, and it's the real issue.

Selling out is the sympton. Fix the actual problem. Then everyone can do what they want, without label or prejudice.

AdminNightStrike November 17 2009 10:57 AM EST

If Burton wants to claim he's selling CB gear for CBD to fund an NCB, but instead sells all the CBD for USD, he is allowed to.

You, as a community, are also allowed to boycott that sale. Heck, if you want, go and start a contest where you get $10k CBD if you pledge to not buy from him. You're allowed.

Edicinnej November 17 2009 11:51 AM EST

It seems like anger ranting on the forums is the hot new game. Where do I sign up?

Demigod November 17 2009 11:53 AM EST

Apparently here:
http://www.carnageblender.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002vdZ

Edicinnej November 17 2009 11:54 AM EST

You stay classy, Carnage Blender.

AdminTitan November 17 2009 11:58 AM EST

I'm Ron Burgandy?

AdminTitan November 17 2009 11:59 AM EST

Burgundy*...Fail!

QBsutekh137 November 17 2009 12:15 PM EST

Thanks for stopping by, San Diego!
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