Warned rrowland for profanity in PM (in Public Record)
November 21 2009 8:01 AM EST
He knows what he has said and to whom. Fined him $100k per offensive word.
[Edit: sent back the money after talking with a few other admins. A fair warning should suffice. - Shade]
I didn't know the PG rules applied to PM...?
November 21 2009 8:52 AM EST
They don't apply until someone complains.
November 21 2009 8:54 AM EST
PG rules apply to all of CB.
You're wrong there Ranger, if I made my own chat room it wouldn't be PG only.
November 21 2009 9:09 AM EST
Yes, you are correct there.
November 21 2009 9:13 AM EST
Tal: If you would make your own private room, some of the rules would not apply but some would still.
However this was not about a private room afaik.
PM is PRIVATE messages, you can't define what is acceptable there because of the /ignore feature that is built into chat. Sorry but fining someone for something not done in carnage or new_players is wrong.
I don't know the situation...private conversations should not be policed however harassment should not be permitted either.
I thought this is why we have /ignore
/ignore will not erase comments you have already received.
November 21 2009 9:49 AM EST
Ops and admins cannot ignore.
Oh, I forgot about that. Very well, then. ;)
AK then you do a /clear and voila clean chat box
November 21 2009 9:54 AM EST
Carnage Blender is very clear on it's policy. Chat ops and Admins should never use /ignore to block out possible malicious content.
At a side notice, should all other players just /ignore everybody to prevent them from using profanity either? I think not, people should be conscious of what they say to each other and people have been fined for such things before.
Please stop the 'oh this is ridiculous' talks. It has nothing to do with you.
November 21 2009 10:11 AM EST
It is not ridiculous but there should be a line no matter where you are talking. I feel as long as you define those lines first then subsequent actions should be taken. E.G. Joe Bob uses Expletive #1 you tell them please do not use any profanity. They do it again a warning of a /kick, a third time they receive said /kick. They use profanity again another /kick, after 2 /kicks they should receive a/kill. Admins should be notified and the player fined how they see fit. To me that is acceptable.
Side Note: Ranger I do believe none of this would have gone this far if you had simply left the man alone in the first place. Both in chat and threads. I agree with your overall standpoint on the situation but not how you are going about it. That's just my personal opinion.
November 21 2009 10:31 AM EST
Kicks and kills in my honest opinion are decent tools for public chat. However some terms should just not be used, hence the fine. If the wordings were less severe, this thread might indeed just not have been made.
November 21 2009 4:09 PM EST
Death threats, overly malicious threats, excessive colorful cursing directed maliciously towards one person or many in hate or anger.. no matter WHERE they happen to be, still warrents an admin's attention... IF ONLY THIS WERE AVAILABLE WHEN I HAD A MALICIOUS STALKER 2-3 Years ago... T_T but oh well, let sleeping dogs lie I guess. ^_^ But back to the point. It warrents intervention to prevent a good player from quitting because of the bullying hate. It doesnt matter if it was or was not in Private Messages, what mattered was the intent of the content of maliciousness being directed. ^_^So Shadie has a point.
I'm more interested in how much the total fine was >)
rrowland (Powerpuff) 18.104.22.168 TourneyPrizes (TourneyPrizes) $200000 -- PG fine - Shade 8:02 AM EST
Not ... A ... Big ... Deal ...
I was expecting a large number haha.
November 21 2009 5:11 PM EST
bump, see 1st post. Now put away all the pitchforks.
November 21 2009 5:12 PM EST
I guess using profanity in PM that I would not even use to a sailor is OK now.
One wonders how things are done.
November 21 2009 5:33 PM EST
So I have a Q:
Is it now allowable to curse to someone in PM such vile saying that would make a sailor blush?
With just a strict talking to as the only punishment?
I really now want to know what is allowed.
November 21 2009 5:40 PM EST
"I guess using profanity in PM that I would not even use to a sailor is OK now."
As it should be.
Harassment and attacks should be punished, not words.
If you harass an admin or an op in PM, expect to be /killed, 48!'d, or have similar punishments given out.
If someone is harassing you in PM or CM, inform an admin as this may be a common complaint, but first and foremost you should /ignore that person. This function exists for a purpose.
November 21 2009 5:48 PM EST
"but first and foremost you should /ignore that person."
I wish I would have known about that feature in chat mail a few months ago. So how do you use it? Just go the user's member page and type "/ignore" in their mail text box?
open chat type /ignore name, and voila CMs don't work
November 21 2009 5:56 PM EST
November 21 2009 6:03 PM EST
Ignore is stupid, we shouldn't have to be forced to ignore someone.
They should conform to the rules.
November 21 2009 6:14 PM EST
Not everyone does, which is why ignore is a helpful tool.
By your logic, we shouldn't need police either. Everyone should just follow the law.
That's not really a valid argument, because ops are analogous to police. Ignore is more like a gun in your home.
November 21 2009 6:18 PM EST
and so by choosing to use Ignore, we enable people to continue to get away with poor behavior.
November 21 2009 6:37 PM EST
I consider this all very funny. Ranger can't handle being sworn at in PM yet, my good friend Ranger, did you not once swear maliciously at me in my PM box?
November 21 2009 6:49 PM EST
"Ignore is more like a gun in your home."
Meh. Either way, we need those too.
November 21 2009 10:13 PM EST
Yes, GW and paid the price for it.
I expect the same when done to me.
November 22 2009 1:52 AM EST
This thread is making me uncomfortable and is full of personal jabs.
It should be closed to new posts.
Yeah well my 333 is better than your 137.
I'm calling you out.
November 22 2009 3:41 PM EST
"This thread is making me uncomfortable and is full of personal jabs."
Par for the course here at CB, unfortunately, and I agree that the thread should be closed. There's no legitimate discussion here, only argument and personal attacks. There's no need to leave it open to public commentary.
(I never know why such threads are left open for public commentary in the first place, TBH.)
This thread is closed to new posts.