Are you allowed to make beatable farms? (in General)

Rawr November 24 2009 9:55 AM EST

Is one allowed to make a character that he or she isn't using and make it completely beatable so that your friend or whatever can start an NCB and get an easy 100% Challenge Bonus for a long time?

AdminShade November 24 2009 9:55 AM EST

why not? :)

Rawr November 24 2009 9:56 AM EST

seems pretty lame to me... I dunno. I always thought climbing the ranks using strategy rather than friend help would be more honorable or something haha

BHT November 24 2009 9:56 AM EST

As long as it's not for the tourney.

AdminShade November 24 2009 10:03 AM EST

I think it's more a matter of conscience than breaking CB rules...

three4thsforsaken November 24 2009 10:06 AM EST

no one would stoop that low, I would know. :D

DoS November 24 2009 10:08 AM EST

A fail goes out to the T plays that attacked the known gimped character.

Rawr November 24 2009 10:16 AM EST

Fail? Hardly. I was merely attacking a character that was very high scored but had an extremely poor strategy. right?

three4thsforsaken November 24 2009 10:30 AM EST

simply? err not really. Tourny characters seem to have the rule that you can't get help from another player, or make use of any unfair advantage. As seen in the inability to transfer items, abuse auctions, etc.

QBJohnnywas November 24 2009 10:31 AM EST

I think it's no different to two players transferring a team back and forth. At some point you have to employ a good strategy. For at least the first 2 mill score these days it's about growth and climbing and decent bonuses. If somebody else helps you doing that - unless Jon chimes in and calls it an exploit - then I personally don't see anything wrong with it.

Rawr November 24 2009 10:31 AM EST

"Tourny characters seem to have the rule that you can't get help from another player, or make use of any unfair advantage."

Right, I simply found someone with a crappy character and farmed him. Not my fault his character sucks.

Rawr November 24 2009 10:32 AM EST

JW- except this requires no money loss for the xferring between characters.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] November 24 2009 10:33 AM EST

I had an out of the box idea for a very wealthy player to scupper the attempts of all his competitors.

Just pay to get folk to retire all thier low level farms, so up coming new teams don't have anyone to fight. ;)

Evil, but not outside the rules!

QBJohnnywas November 24 2009 10:33 AM EST

Additionally, strategy in CB isn't simply about what enchantments you use, or the level of a skill that you have. It's about finding ways of making cash to boost your weapons, or means to stop people farming you, or getting in a clan that offers the best bonus you can get. Working together with somebody, providing it's not against the rules, is just another layer of strategy no?

three4thsforsaken November 24 2009 10:34 AM EST

I"m just saying. Last time I gimped my own character for celebration, it was explicitly stated that no tourny character could fight him by Slayer. Based on my experiences, that is what happens.

AdminTal Destra [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] November 24 2009 10:35 AM EST

Its been done in the past and unless Jon says something about it, I don't think its going to stop.

QBRanger November 24 2009 10:55 AM EST

Like this one:

QBJohnnywas November 24 2009 10:57 AM EST

There are two ways of doing things here.

1. You assume unless told otherwise that things are within the rules. But don't be surprised when somebody says "actually no, that's not allowed."

2. You trust yourself and your ideas of what is right or wrong or just plain dumb and don't do it.

There is a 3rd way: ask OB what's right and wrong and let him find the loophole that might just get you through. But again...don't be surprised when somebody says "actually no, that's just not allowed."

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 24 2009 11:23 AM EST

Way too close to person in this thread...

Congratulations to DoS!

QBOddBird November 24 2009 11:33 AM EST

Isn't part of gaining an advantage in the game making full use of the interpersonal relationships developed here as well as the game mechanics? ;) It's just another facet to strategy! If you've developed enough ties to convince another player to intentionally gimp their character (read: lose EXP on a team) and waste valuable BA in an effort to help you, then shouldn't taking that into account be allowable as well?

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 24 2009 11:33 AM EST

err personal... and you can take that as a joke.

QBOddBird November 24 2009 11:35 AM EST

Mind you, that's not allowable for tournament purposes, that's explicitly stated, and they follow special rules. But outside of tournaments, I'd say it's perfectly allowable.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 24 2009 11:38 AM EST

/me thinks the implementation of Bushido in CB is long overdo...

Wraithlin November 24 2009 11:40 AM EST

heck, people have paid others for 3 losses every 20 minutes or whatever the limit is. Not only can you set up farms, you can talk people into spending BA to lose to you. As long as multiple accounts are banned, it means someone else is losing something by helping you in this way, and setting up a farm for your friend is also setting up a farm for everyone. It's not like you can password protect the farm from other attackers.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 24 2009 12:23 PM EST

I actually did one worse than making a beatable farm, I made a farm I could fight with that brand new chars could beat. Without this method there would be no way to get 100% chal bonus for 1600 BA, let alone the nearly 4000 BA that went into DoS's NCB.

I do feel for NS however, Iconic's was reset for only 800 more BA that this having been used on it.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 24 2009 12:26 PM EST

oh and to finish off the gloating, DoS burned 1600 BA in twenty minutes using this method...

QBRanger November 24 2009 12:34 PM EST

Simple as this:

If it is in the rules as illegal it is illegal. In tournaments it is expressly stated as being illegal. In real play, I think there have been prior discussions but am too lazy to find them if they exist.

If you are trying to "game" the system, there has been precedent for the developers to "fix" things to their liking to solve any problems.

There have been times of a retroactive fix. Such as when some people were using draws to get xp for 2 characters at a time. Or what happened to Iconics.

So while this may be legal, and if it is great, do not be surprised or moan if Jon/NS does something if they deem this unacceptable.

Just use common sense. Does it pass the smell test?

QBOddBird November 24 2009 12:34 PM EST

I don't see it as a problem. Essentially, novice was fighting an overly specialized strategy, and during his fighting, he got heavily farmed (1600 BA in 20 minutes) for 100% challenge bonus the entire time. 0=)

QBOddBird November 24 2009 12:35 PM EST

Ranger: smells like roses.

DoS November 24 2009 4:38 PM EST

So having those two spend there BA has costed ~2.2mil... With about 4000 BA spent, we got a 370k MTL which equates to about 244k tattoo levels. Down low at this level it doesn't mean much, but at a MTL of 8mil+ you are talking about a lot of levels.

Along with the MTL, we also made it to 270k mpr.

rrowland November 24 2009 5:22 PM EST

So how is it exactly that Rawr's 50k MPR tourney char managed to drain 250k hp in the ranged round before he got shocked for 200k in melee?

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 24 2009 5:41 PM EST

I trained the 250k HP after I was told T chars were attacking.

{Wookie}-Jir.Vr- November 24 2009 7:17 PM EST

oh and to finish off the gloating, DoS burned 1600 BA in twenty minutes using this method...

--QBnovice, 12:26 PM EST


Shark November 24 2009 8:20 PM EST

can you guys take some more stuff off em so I can beat em too :)?

I dont mind I really dont

Admiralkiller [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 24 2009 9:05 PM EST

In the past people had a main and four farms because the farms gained xp and money from every fight including losses (not as much). There was a reason that this was changed to the current system. I am not sure what it is.

TheHatchetman November 24 2009 9:54 PM EST

Gaming the score system for the sake of sabotaging another player has already been cleared as perfectly acceptable. I don't see why doing the same in an effort to assist fellow players would be unacceptable.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 24 2009 10:37 PM EST

Your situation with that damn multi was certainly on my mind Hatch...

I will say a little bit of a sorry to the folks who either got farmed or lost high bonus targets because of this... one more reason it should be easier to gain score than to lose it in my opinion.

QBRanger November 24 2009 11:07 PM EST

You have the ultimate point there Hatch.
Great Job D8!!!

{Wookie}-Jir.Vr- November 24 2009 11:09 PM EST

Yeah Hatch pretty much hit the nail on the head. Can't think of a better reply. Might as well just kill all the other replies in the thread, and close it. Nothing else needs to be said haha
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