Why don't YOU play in tournaments? (in General)


Admin{CB1}Slayer333 January 16 2010 1:39 PM EST

Is there any specific reason?

We are always open to suggestions, so name anything at all you would like to see done differently! A poll may follow. :)

(0.0) [SeeD] January 16 2010 1:40 PM EST

usually it's no BA cap and longer tournaments that I don't like.

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] January 16 2010 1:56 PM EST

If the prizes aren't worth the time and effort, or if it will hurt my current char.

QBJohnnywas January 16 2010 1:58 PM EST

Unless the ideas behind the tourney grab me I'm not usually a participant. I guess the idea of running a team alongside my existing team with no real reward to show for the time is probably the main reason.

I kind of miss the old tourneys and the way rewards could then be used on your main.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] January 16 2010 2:11 PM EST

That kind of tourney cost your main some serious XP. You don't miss BA now.
Would we re-add the tourney BA contributing to clan points as well?
Could we do that kind of a tourney again on CB2?

QBJohnnywas January 16 2010 2:13 PM EST

It did cost, but it was a lot less stressful than running two teams at once.

How do those pesky multis do it???

DoS [Demon Forging] January 16 2010 2:16 PM EST

If I read the last two posts correctly, then NCBs would never participate in tourneys.

As it is now, when I don't participate in tournaments, it is because the following tournament is too soon.

Eurynome Bartleby [Bartleby's] January 16 2010 2:46 PM EST

Tourneys are basically a sped-up version of the main game, with a definitive end. You could then think that it takes less time to be successful in one of those than in "real" CB. (That it takes less commitment/time.) However, the amount of planning necessary in a tournament is comparable to that of a normal run...only condensed to the extreme. You can't mindlessly attack, you can't burn your BA fast. That makes you waste BA, and that makes you fail. (Like when I enter a tournament. Exactly like that :P )

You have to choose optimal targets, you have to plan a strategy that will work in the short term as well as the end-game... In the end, tournaments are just as intense as real CB, but like I said they are compressed.

CB is not a casual game, and tourneys are not, either. (Contrary to what people might think.) If you don't have time for regular play, you don't have time for tourney play.

At least that's why I don't enter T's myself. And why I never get anywhere in the game. CB + life = incompatible. You are hardcore all the way, or it's no use trying.

I'm not saying it's wrong, but y'know, I'm pretty sure many people don't tourney because it's just a huge time sink.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] January 16 2010 3:00 PM EST

Would shorter tourneys be attractive? A mad dash daily tourney kind of thing?

AdminNightStrike January 16 2010 3:01 PM EST

I dunno about that commitment thing. I haven't adjusted anything on my team in a long time.

Mythology January 16 2010 3:01 PM EST

A casual tournament might be good, say you get 200 BA a day per day.

Pwned January 16 2010 3:05 PM EST

I don't play tourneys cause people cheat. They have friends who unequip they regular high score chars and spam the enter button. Whats the point in playing when people have unfair advantages?

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] January 16 2010 3:08 PM EST

Todd

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] January 16 2010 3:09 PM EST

IntoExile, Doing that will get the abuser disqualified from the tourney.

Pwned January 16 2010 3:13 PM EST

Still doesn't stop people from doing it. This char right here has found several people who did this. I could kill some high score char for a week, I thought it was strange and then all of a sudden the char equips back all his gear and I can't kill him anymore. I checked the chars battle log and apparently some other guy was farming him like crazy a tourney char.

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 January 16 2010 3:14 PM EST

We will take a harder stance on that particular issue. However, players must realize that if it goes unreported, chances are we will not find it.

QBRanger January 16 2010 3:17 PM EST

If you believe someone is cheating, please let a T admin know via CM.

Pwned January 16 2010 3:20 PM EST

It didn't bother me that much really, it just confirmed what I thought was going on in tourneys.

QBRanger January 16 2010 3:26 PM EST

IE

I am currently playing in the T.

I also am looking for cheating and have not seen any.

Lochnivar January 16 2010 3:26 PM EST

I don't play tourneys cause people cheat.

It didn't bother me that much really, it just confirmed what I thought was going on in tourneys.


I find those to be somewhat contradictory statements......

Personally I firmly believe that our current tourney admins are a fair group who do not condone this. If we can't take the time to let them know something is up then we shouldn't complain that they aren't doing anything about it.

It should only take a short while of vigorous policing to make this sort of activity die right off.

Eurynome Bartleby [Bartleby's] January 16 2010 3:31 PM EST

I dunno about that commitment thing. I haven't adjusted anything on my team in a long time.


Even if that is true, you still need to burn a majority of your BA to stay where you are in the standings. At least enough compared to whoever is higher than you. I am always a bit surprised when people don't consider "log in every 6-8 hours" to be an important commitment.

At any regen rate, considering you'd normally need about 8-9 hours of sleep daily and work shifts usually last for 8 hours, this could mean you have to:

Wake up earlier to fight/sleep less.
Play on the job/bus/lunch break.

Playing CB is quite a commitment if you ask me. You're targetting a player demographic that is hardcore and limited. Then you fish around in your pool of hardcore players to get the hardcore-est. They're the ones who compete in tourneys. That or people who just don't play the regular game and are tourney-only. (Do we even have that kind of player right now?)

Anyway, I don't think it's surprising that we don't have more tourney players given the current amount of work needed to not rot at the bottom of the standings, either in plain CB or tourneys. :P

Miandrital January 16 2010 4:35 PM EST

I haven't seriously competed in the last two tournaments just because they are so long. I greatly preferred the one week tournaments that we had when they first started.

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] January 16 2010 4:39 PM EST

Too many story and team-based tournies with retarded rules.
These are all well and good to break up standard tournies as snugglebuuny showed when he was in charge in CB1 but a regular occurrence is just too much.
The other thing is that to be competitive in a tourny you need to spend forever finding massive characters that have been untrained and unequipped to guarantee 100% bonus and even then someone else is probably finding the same people as you.
I've got loads of time on my hands while I'm stuck unemployed but I'd prefer to do other things than click Inspect constantly.

Admiralkiller January 16 2010 4:42 PM EST

I always try to play every one...the reason I skip is not enough time...and or personal reasons....

I agree that maybe a daily cap for some tournaments could help...200 a day or so...a lot less stress then trying to spend 500+ BA a day.

New players could be directed to tournaments to hone their strategic skills. Perhaps a suggestions added into the Tutorial.

One more thing I would like to see.....A bunch of crazed monkeys using lightsabers in battle In a short skit format.

No matter what though you will never please all the people all the time.

Wasp [Demon Forging] January 16 2010 5:00 PM EST

Because I'm crap and will never win or get a prize

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] January 16 2010 5:08 PM EST

i haven't really thought about all of the implications in doing so, but zoglog's post made me wonder what it would be like to have some, or even all, challenge bonus free tournaments?

QBRanger January 16 2010 5:18 PM EST

I think YOU stopped playing tournaments just after he and his multi-Ilovehellokitty stopped playing :)

Admiralkiller January 16 2010 5:21 PM EST

Hmm makes me think too dudemus...if you have a BA Cap as well everyone at the end would have the same MPR (unless retrains) but best strat and wisest spending of money earned would prevail when they all fought each other at the end.

{WW]Nayab [Cult of the Valaraukar] January 16 2010 5:22 PM EST

I participate in most tournaments and do fairly well. Main problem i have is when they start during school or i miss the thread. Otherwise i play in any tourneys i can :)

Demigod January 16 2010 5:23 PM EST

I'd prefer it if the participation prizes would encompass casual players. And I also really liked the idea of cooperative tourneys (like the zombie ones).

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] January 16 2010 5:24 PM EST

Cooperative and team tournaments are my favorite.

QBRanger January 16 2010 5:26 PM EST

I'd prefer it if the participation prizes would encompass casual players. And I also really liked the idea of cooperative tourneys (like the zombie ones).

After this current tourney, Shade has one planned. Mine is up next and it is the ultimate in cooperative tournaments.

In fact, if you do not cooperate you will not even be close to those teams that do.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] January 16 2010 5:32 PM EST

I had a lot of fun taking down the big zombie together in ZT2. We spend almost an hour just to pull off the 4 wins between us all.

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] January 16 2010 6:16 PM EST

My new reason is that I manage to get my annual CB-T in the right place :P

(0.0) [SeeD] January 16 2010 6:51 PM EST

I would play in a lot more tournaments if there was some kind of daily BA cap.

Solare January 16 2010 7:17 PM EST

I was unfairly booted from the only tournament I participated in, and another player who enacted the same supposedly incorrect actions was unpunished.
Thus you will never see me in a tournament again.

QBRanger January 16 2010 7:20 PM EST

That is unfortunate Solare.

However I hope you realize in the first few tournaments, the T admins were getting their feet wet as well as the players.

The rules are now far better known and uniformly enforced.

I do hope you retry one as they are quite fun and the prizes are not too shabby.

Underage Drinking January 16 2010 7:53 PM EST

i play but some tourneys are already started by the time i know there is one.

Admiralkiller January 16 2010 7:59 PM EST

Then perhaps a post should be up In the news area for each Contest, maybe with start and estimated Finish dates. So it`s plain to see.

Demigod January 16 2010 10:01 PM EST

Then perhaps a post should be up In the news area for each Contest


Yes, please. Also, I remember that for the first contest I joined, I actually had to search around to figure out HOW to join. I don't know if that was an issue for anyone else's first time, but it might help to have a "Tourney Starting" announcement on the homepage with a simple "Create Tourney Character" link inside.

Shark January 16 2010 10:03 PM EST

the tourneys, I don't want, need, or have the time to put into them...

don't know why, but I'm sure 35 people could tell me why you can't keep the gear you collect in tourneys... (but don't bother bec I really don't care...)

the whole idea behind tourneys was to win gear or earn gear you could no afford otherwise.....

beating down people you couldn't beat down is always fun in tourneys but its effect is very limited and has no long term chest beating power attributed to it

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] January 16 2010 10:05 PM EST

The tourneys have prizes that you can win. In some tournaments everyone who participates wins a significant amount. For instance the zombie tourneys or the football ones everyone wins at least some money.

QBRanger January 16 2010 10:18 PM EST

Aside from the prizes, what I like best about tournaments is the ability to play a new character with different spells/skills than I normally play.

In the last tournament I played with UC and the SoC. The bonus you get lets you get enough xp and money to actually play one adequately in a shortened time frame.

While the prizes are nice, and competing vs others who do not have a USD bonus is nice as well. And the prizes are very nice. This current tourney has a 30M+ NW worth of prizes. Winner take all.

TheHatchetman January 16 2010 10:28 PM EST

Why don't YOU play in tournaments?


YOU can't play, cuz they were banned...

TheHatchetman January 16 2010 10:31 PM EST

Aside from the prizes, what I like best about tournaments is the ability to play a new character with different spells/skills than I normally play.


Like me with a ranged-based strat? (Btw, while fun, I'm finding ranged-based is not something I'd really be interested in doing long-term) :D

[P]Mitt January 16 2010 10:38 PM EST

I don't have the time.

As it is, with schoolwork and other school-related stuff running my life, I don't have the time to spend choosing targets, developing a team, bidding on items, and planning an endgame.

There's a reason I forge - I don't have to think or plan my strategy.

QBRanger January 16 2010 10:41 PM EST

There's a reason I forge - I don't have to think or plan my strategy.

Well if you ever get the urge to play and fight for a couple weeks, tournaments are a good diversion.

[P]Mitt January 16 2010 10:42 PM EST

Very true Ranger, very true.

Just the amount of time required to make an effective strategy competitive is something I can't afford now.

AdminNightStrike January 16 2010 10:52 PM EST

So use less time for a weaker strategy :)

You can still play.

VsCountStrum [Black Watch] January 17 2010 11:21 AM EST

As several people have already stated, I think the real question is why should I participate in a tournament?

I have played CB for a long time. I know what it takes to have a good character. I uses to to wake up in the night or take lunches at the library to burn BA. I now play the game just for fun. Tournaments offer very little if anything for me

I could see that I could rapidly test out a new strategy, but only if it falls within the rules of the tourney. There is little that a tourney will benefit my main team. Sure, one person will win a nice prize, but I do not have the time to build anything close to a winning team. There are times that everyone wins something, but those rewards are so small that it does not really make a difference.


The only way that I will start to participate in tourneys, is that if there is a real (yet balanced) way that it will improve my main based on the time that I put into the tourny.

TrueDevil [AAA] January 17 2010 7:19 PM EST

The reason why I don't play in tournaments is because it's too difficult choosing opponents, it's the same like starting NCB, there's not much target around (of course I'm talking about 100 % bonus challenge here so that I can compete with others or stay ahead).

It's just too stressful picking opponents, especially when 60-70 % of the characters are retired, I don't understand why retired characters have to be displayed in the characters list, this is one of the most annoying thing here.

I just don't have time to sit around for hours, only choosing opponents.

QBRanger January 17 2010 7:21 PM EST

I don't understand why retired characters have to be displayed in the characters list, this is one of the most annoying thing here.

I have often wished, like you, for a toggle to get retired characters off my visualized lists.

Guardian January 17 2010 8:26 PM EST

i dont play6 because i never know when they start, and when i finally see it see i already can't join

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] January 18 2010 3:46 AM EST

Because every Tournament is basically a test of how good you are forming a constantly changing fightlist.

And;

1) I'm no good at that ;)
2) It's not really a fun aspect of CB
3) With massive Bonus tournies (and limited BA ones) you need to adjust your fightlist every fight, and that's just even more Number 2...

Forming a fightlist when you start a new character really isn't fun, especially with the Bonus bonuses.

Soxjr January 18 2010 4:06 AM EST

My reason adds on to what GL said. It is also very apparent that most people that play tournaments a lot already have found characters that they can fight early that are high up for huge rewards, or convince people to take off gear to get an advantage, and I just don't find that fun. I also am bad at making a fight list and constantly having to find new and better opponents. I just don't have the time.

With most tournaments getting to where winner takes all and I have no chance of winning, then there really isn't a point. I enjoy watching the results, but couldn't see myself competing.

TheHatchetman January 18 2010 4:51 AM EST

It is also very apparent that most people that play tournaments a lot already have found characters that they can fight early that are high up for huge rewards


a) Their score is drained to uselesness after a couple of tourneys or qualifying NCBs getting off the ground.
b) Fightlogs are 2 clicks away at all times. As soon as an opponent knows about a target, everyone does (or at least can)
c) It's easier to target the tourney chars that are draining the score than the targets in question ~_^
, or convince people to take off gear to get an advantage


If you find this, report it to a T admin, as it is explicitly against tournament rules. No borderline here.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] January 18 2010 4:53 AM EST

What Hatch said :)

TheHatchetman January 18 2010 4:53 AM EST

ooh, also with the starting XP as high as it is and the participation prize limit as low as it is, people could still join the one that's 2/3 over now and get the participation prize :)

Flamey January 18 2010 6:30 AM EST

Time pretty much, I'm just a habitual player. I'm pretty active even when I'm on holidays, so yeah. I played in a few, they were pretty alright.

lostling January 18 2010 8:27 AM EST

I dont play because i lack the character slots to do it...

Phrede January 18 2010 9:16 AM EST

same as Lostling - also its a time thing with me as I have several other games I am playing atm

QBJohnnywas January 18 2010 9:22 AM EST

Perhaps a second question should be: why do you start a tourney and not finish it?

I've entered the last couple, but spread over a longer period of time I can't sustain that kind of intensity. If you miss a couple of days later on it can be just as damaging as missing the start. And participation isn't enough I'm afraid for me. If I stand no chance of winning I lose interest fast.

The main game doesn't do that to me. I'm quite happy to watch the char grow and develop.

But in the rough and tumble of a tourney I like to stay near the top. Watching a tourney char sink fills me with woe!

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] January 18 2010 10:06 AM EST

Well we're sure to have a couple tourneys coming up that are less about grind than the previous two...

AdminShade January 18 2010 10:57 AM EST

I dont play because i lack the character slots to do it...
same as Lostling

We have already said to unretire a character for free, making you able to run 5+1 characters.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] January 18 2010 11:04 AM EST

as i have stated in multiple threads, i believe that the participation prize should be ba usage based rather than mpr based with the requirement that your character wasn't retired by the player during the tournament.

with money being tighter since the drop system, i think if people knew they would get the participation prize for merely participating more would join and keep their characters active. as they go through several tournaments, they might even win some larger prizes.

if we build it, they will come!

Rubberduck[T] [Hell Blenders] January 18 2010 12:02 PM EST

I don't like CB in a tourny format. The way I do them can take hours of inspecting chars, sometimes for little advantage if others watching my fight log grab the good targets soon after I find them, or they just pull some shenanigans with a friend.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] January 18 2010 2:19 PM EST

So many people refer to pulling shenanigans with a friend yet that is completely not allowed.

QBRanger January 18 2010 2:35 PM EST

I, as well as other T admins, look carefully for people nerfing a character and letting others attack.

If this happens, punishments, including retiring of current T characters, will happen.

{Wookie}-Jir.Vr- January 18 2010 4:46 PM EST

I don't agree with the outside influence of AH and "friends" selling items to the store at 4am for T character's benefits.

I would play if the tournaments had a T-only store as suggested thousands of times, and the AH wasn't a factor.

Other than that....

Time...

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 January 18 2010 4:48 PM EST

I expect you shall be playing in the upcoming tournaments then, Jir :)

QBRanger January 18 2010 4:54 PM EST

I don't agree with the outside influence of AH and "friends" selling items to the store at 4am for T character's benefits.

Maybe I am lost on this, but if this really happened, someone selling a rare to the store for someone else to snatch, that certain is illegal.

Also, remember there is a 20 min cooldown time in auctions and the store before T characters can buy it. So if this does happen, others can pounce on it.

AdminNightStrike January 18 2010 4:57 PM EST

Cooldown should probably have been a bit longer, but I guess that's all moot now.

TheHatchetman January 18 2010 6:05 PM EST

Can't afford to give away a 30m prize and a dozen consolations of 3m apiece. Admittedly, prizes really have gotten crappy since the old days... ~_^

TheHatchetman January 18 2010 6:15 PM EST

oops, wrong thread >.<

{Wookie}-Jir.Vr- January 18 2010 9:34 PM EST

Well, you would think Ranger, but it's not even rare items. The gladiator tournament, Katanas were HUGE, and impossible to get a hold of, I remember trying for 3 days to purchase one to no avail. It happens, I've reported at least 3 different incidents this last year, and basically got told off for it. Twice actually. Made a huge stink, ended up conversing with NS several times about why a T-only store is super needed. He said then (now months ago) he would work on it.

I truly hope it happens, I'm in awe it didn't happen in 2004, or whenever tournaments first started to be honest.
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