This should not happen. (in General)


Unappreciated Misnomer April 11 2013 10:08 PM EDT

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Zenai April 11 2013 10:41 PM EDT

It depends on the overall market value in the auction house set by sales. Stop selling things so high and Mr. Chairman will not snipe you for lowballing ;-)

AdminQBVerifex [Serenity In Chaos] April 11 2013 10:43 PM EDT

Sad to see one of those shields go away. :(

QBPixel Sage April 11 2013 10:50 PM EDT

Lol. Looks like Mr. Chairman is inflating the prices for you =P

Demigod April 11 2013 11:56 PM EDT

Just don't make your initial offer your max.

AbbathorX April 12 2013 1:03 AM EDT

I think the problem here is not the Banks already argued over stupidness, but the fact that he is sniping in the Black Market.

He didn't vote for it, and is therefore not allowed to bid. Unless the help is wrong.

Zenai April 12 2013 1:16 AM EDT

The problem is as I originally stated: you want to sell low if you want to buy low. If you want to sell high you have to buy high. At the very least Mr. Chairman is averaging things out. You cannot expect to Sell EVERYTHING high yet bid on everything low when Mr. Chairman is involved.

You need to find the balance and then put your lowball bid in but have your max overall bid set up higher than the going average. Otherwise Mr. Chairman will get it.

Don't like it well stop thinking you can game the system forever. Mr. Chairman was instated to keep this from happening in the first place. Stop being cheapskates and deal with it.

This is part of the reason I have an issue with the Auction House to begin with let alone the BM. As of right now there usually only 2 names of ppl selling items and they have pretty much monopolized it(1 in particular). They get Drops or BM Items at rock bottom prices and sell relatively high. Is it a Farce......definitely.

Bounty Hunter April 12 2013 2:10 AM EDT

I see a lack of commitment never sleep when a deal is hanging in the balance :P

QBPixel Sage April 12 2013 2:27 AM EDT

Zenai has a point. And to be honest, I'm not entirely happy with a few players controlling the market. Unfortunately, we don't really have enough players to help even things out and keep each other in check. As a result, I haven't been able to buy that many items at a fair price to try out new strategies, making the game less enjoyable.

I'm glad Mr. Chairman is sitting around with his sniper rifle in this case.

Unappreciated Misnomer April 12 2013 6:30 AM EDT

again Zenai you are missing the point. the fact that mr chairman had not registered a vote in the BM. Im all for mr chairman to snipe, and i thought it odd to see him even purchase an item that only had a buy now option. but there are no votes to permit his actions. its more or less an insult to get the voting pooled together only to be wasted.

p.s if you have nothing to say about this specific topic then dont post

p.s.s in advance shut up zenai

Thug [Sponge] April 12 2013 8:48 AM EDT

Mr Chairman should be listed a one of the gods.

Exempt from the rules. Auctioneer should be toned done and the drop system a Z pointed out. The two together dump as much stuff in the system as the other two members you indicated.

In about one week we may get something from BM into the auction house and mr chairman proved there is a chance no one will get it.

And fair price, is what someone is willing to pay. The auction house is convenient, but it is not only place to buy something and or trade.

I do not mind someone making a profit, if they have something you want make an offer.

Almost everyone i have dealt with has been fair.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] April 12 2013 10:19 AM EDT

I raged a lot about Chairman Sniping.

There are a fair few threads of mine about it from years ago.

Rubberduck[T] [Hell Blenders] April 12 2013 12:19 PM EDT

Could you explain why it should not happen.

Zenai April 12 2013 12:47 PM EDT

Epi: ToS

GL: Care to explain ToS to Epi?

Sickone April 12 2013 12:55 PM EDT

The bottom line is, is there really a need for Mr.Chairman to somewhat dampen item price swings ? I honestly don't know, but I'm ever so slightly leaning towards "nah". The truth is, there's some good arguments either way, but I'm too tired to list them.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] April 12 2013 1:10 PM EDT

Terms of Service?

Zenai April 12 2013 1:15 PM EDT

Yep! :-)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] April 12 2013 1:54 PM EDT

http://www.carnageblender.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002TnJ
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AdminNightStrike April 12 2013 1:55 PM EDT

The chariman isn't there to control prices. He's there to cull items from circulation. By bidding once and only once, he slowly removes items from the game.

I agree that it's a little odd to have him do that for a BM auction, since that's the avenue for players to add items that they want to the game. In this case, he's basically saying "Fine, I'll let you spawn that item... but only if you remove enough cash from the game. Otherwise, I'll block your spawn."

Think of it like a game.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] April 12 2013 1:56 PM EDT

I've no problem with CB bidding, the only thing I've ever disagreed with is the sniping.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] April 12 2013 1:58 PM EDT

To be honest, I never realised the CB bidded on BM auctions.

I do find that a little, strange.

Especially as the BM used to be a place to try to get a rare on the cheap, if you put the effort into bidding for it to spawn in the first place.

Zenai April 12 2013 2:22 PM EDT

GL: Let me rephrase my earlier question. "Care to explain the Sites Terms of Service to Epi in the same way you have done to me whenever I have gotten even remotely close to the brash disrespect that he has shown to me?"

*waits patiently for vindication or the double standard*

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] April 12 2013 2:29 PM EDT

Its your own fault really. You boosted the average less then a month ago.

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Demigod April 12 2013 2:35 PM EDT

it's a little odd to have him do that for a BM auction, since that's the avenue for players to add items that they want to the game

I partially disagree. The key part of the quote is that BM auctions are items players want. If the prices are so low that the chairman has to intervene, then it's clear that demand isn't there. What's happening is that players are casting votes in a perfunctory manner, voting for items that they don't actually want, and thus not showing up at the subsequent auction.

I know it's frustrating to get sniped -- it's happened to me as well -- but I fully support the chairman, even in this instance. And remember, the solution is very simple: Just don't make your initial offer your max.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] April 12 2013 2:44 PM EDT

GL: Let me rephrase my earlier question. "Care to explain the Sites Terms of Service to Epi in the same way you have done to me whenever I have gotten even remotely close to the brash disrespect that he has shown to me?"

*waits patiently for vindication or the double standard*

Ah, you were trolling.

Congrats. I'll go back to ignoring you now.

QBPixel Sage April 12 2013 2:45 PM EDT

I agree with Demigod's assessment above. The BM would probably prove to be a lot more useful with more active players, where players actually vote on things they want!

Zenai April 12 2013 3:14 PM EDT

again Zenai you are missing the point. the fact that mr chairman had not registered a vote in the BM. Im all for mr chairman to snipe, and i thought it odd to see him even purchase an item that only had a buy now option. but there are no votes to permit his actions. its more or less an insult to get the voting pooled together only to be wasted.

p.s if you have nothing to say about this specific topic then dont post

p.s.s in advance shut up zenai

Really GL I was trolling? Not in the slightest. I am asking you to do your job as an Admin and enforce the rules on Epi as you so aptly have done to me. So either get on it or NEVER attempt to enforce on me again when I suggest a person not post in a thread when Epi has blatantly said so. Bottom Line either enforce evenly or don't do it at all, no more double standards.

Zenai April 12 2013 3:16 PM EDT

Oh and Epi just to make a point clear everything I said before your blatant disrespect was indeed related to the subject matter whether it was direct or indirect. Just because you don't like to hear it doesn't make it any less true. Get over it bro.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] April 12 2013 3:30 PM EDT

What would you like me to enforce Zen?

As I said in the CM, I came into this thread commenting on Cental Bank.

You have trolled me and are trying to drag me into some kind of slanging match. I won't be a part of it in the forum.

As I also said in the CM, the Admins are very lenient. We don't edit posts, lock threads or fine at a drop of a hat or at a whim.

We're not here to censor.

This bickering in the thread ends here.

If it's not a discussion about Central Bank, or the Auction House, I'll delete it.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] April 12 2013 4:01 PM EDT

Honsetly, I don't want to be here all night tidying up the Forum.

If this thread doesn't continue on track, I will lock it.

Unappreciated Misnomer April 12 2013 4:07 PM EDT

feel free to, ive pointed out what i wished to discuss very clearly. I understand now that I can expect that mr chairman will now vote on BM items and will retain that info to enlighten others.

I thought this feature may have been an oversight. none of this banter on market values and the rest cannot be relevant. we can make a new thread to discuss my involvement with the AH.


QBPixel Sage April 12 2013 4:34 PM EDT

Oh my goodness. Okay people.





The auctioneer just put these two up for sale. Let's grab them before Mr. Chairman snipes them. None of us want kitties to be sniped.

AdminNightStrike April 12 2013 4:43 PM EDT

we can make a new thread to discuss my involvement with the AH.

I'd like to make a new thread to discuss the coolness factor of your user pic.

ThatOneMan April 13 2013 1:25 AM EDT

I just made a thread The other day about chairman sniping me.

I had only bid on an item, like 600k for AoJ and it had 20 minutes to go and chairmen sniped it.

I was sleeping and therefore wasn't able to raise my bid.

Zenai April 13 2013 2:40 AM EDT

Stuff happens and I do not think Mr. Chairman should be changed in any way. Cbers should get with the program and "Suck it up." You have been forewarned now you know, so there you go. Plan ahead and cover yourself so you do not have this happen to you again.

AbbathorX April 13 2013 12:36 PM EDT

Actually, no one has been forewarned, as new people do not troll through all these long-winded off topic posts, and the help file for the Black Market says nothing about having the bank snipe your item.

For that matter, none of the referenced posts by AbsentJonathan reference the bank sniping the Black Market. All references discussion posts appear to be about the auction house, NOT the black market auctioneer.

Point being, once again, either he shouldn't be doing it, or the help file needs to be altered to warn new peoples.

My two cents - he didn't vote, he doesn't get to bid.

Zenai April 13 2013 12:46 PM EDT

Mr. Chairman overrules the Auctioneer, Auctions, the Black Market and Votes when it comes to bids where market pricing is concerned. He's fine where he's at and if a upfront disclaimer needs to be posted or a CM sent by the system as a heads up then meh why not. This would be the only change I would do.

QBRanger April 13 2013 2:17 PM EDT

First things:

Mr C does not snipe anything.

He only bids once on an item within the last 15 or so minutes.

If you just put an amount you are willing to go that is higher than your visualized bid, you should be able to outbid even Mr C at the end.

All it takes is a bit of calculation as to what amount is needed based on bid increments.

On every auction, when I played, if there was an item I really wanted I assumed Mr C would be placing a bid. ,

For new playas this can be frustrating. With so much information to absorb in the beginning, it can be a pain.

The only real solution would be a link in every auction to the wiki where Mr C's role is clearly explained.



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