Total of 246 votes

Yes, via the Black Market		20.3
Yes, via the Auctions		7.7
Yes, via $USD to Jon		38.6
Yes, in any format (please specify in your comment)		4.9
No, supporter items should NOT be re-introduced!		28.5

Comments

1st? this is probably not a special thing for anyone but i've been on CB for years and never added really a comment on polls, its 1st time that i got too and i was amazingly the 1st one to the poll although i casually just browsed on the site, talk about coincidence.

-- {EQ}Viperboy

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
2ND

-- Hyrule Castle

yay

3rd

-- Cube

I'm new

I'm new and even though I'm sure there are supporter items I would like maybe, I feel if I can't find them to buy from someone else then I just don't get them. All games have items that are good and special and only people that were on the game when it was introduced or paid then got them. These items should be no different.

-- Soxjr

Please

yes please. I would be happy to pay jon ten dollers for a supporter item

-- RAND0M-X

why so this can be USDBLender more than it is already

-- Hyrule Castle

I'd like to get my hands on some of the donation items that were introduced before I started playing, but all things considered I'd say No, they shouldn't be re-introduced.

-- Aargh

when pigs fly

Yea go ahead and bring them back, just do it after you can get more BA with USD!!

-- {CB1}Carp King

The result surprised me

I think that all items should be available through normal means. I do think that it should be balanced (ie.) certain in game rares need to be introduced sooner to balance the amount of each. I have always thought that buying supporter items from Jon via USD was silly. Nothing against Jonathan, but I don't have the USD to get exorbanant amounts of rares. I think that it would be good to have a continuous amount of all rares coming into the game as we are receiving new people, plain and simple.

-- NotSuitablForChildren

I'd like it so that supporter items can be reintroduced, for an extra price, say $10 instead of the usual $6, this period of time, say 2 months is for one of the previous supporter items, and let a person only buy one from Jon. Keep switching the items until the demand is low enough.

I think the only real problem is AoF, AoI, HoC and possibly TSA, that'd be less than a year of 2 month periods.

-- Flamey

I have to clarify my vote...

I voted on the Misc option because I wanted to clarify, but I really meant to vote on "USD to Jon". What I want to clarify is that we should be allowed to buy supporter items that we haven't ever bought. For instance, I became a supporter when the RoE was the item the first time around. I should then be allowed a chance to buy the things before that.

I'm still unsure about being allowed to buy ones AFTER you become a supporter but that you haven't bought yet.

Under no circumstances, however, do I think that people should be able to buy multiple items ever. For instance, I bought an AoF, so I can never get another.

-- AdminNightStrike

I vote for NS's comment

That's all...

-- Lumpy Koala

I said no but...

I'm pretty much of the opinion that if you missed the previous supporter items then tough. However if old items are to be made available again it should be done in a way that benefits Jon mostly.

Show Jon The Money!

-- QBJohnnywas

NO!

Great. Let's make it so non-NUB's dont stand a chance anymore.

-- 48Zach

yes but

i would like to see numbers of supporter items brought up to 250 of each and leave it at that. Means there will be an increase in number availuable but allows them to keep some of their rarity value. I reckon they should be introduced via auctions to.

Also can i just say in relation to the size of community in the last week at the time of this posting there were only 360 active users i think jon needs to seriously do a clean out of users mainly any who have been inactive longer than 3 or 6 months and there items sold off into auctions. i think we would see a few suppoter items brought in due to this.

-- Ancient Anubis

Huh?

Champ, but it's okay if the current NUB users don't stand a chance themselves?

-- BootyGod

Mix it up

Would it be too hard to bring out some of the supporter items through black market, some through normal auctions and some through usd?
As in out of every 6 supporter items, 3 via auctions, 2 only by black market voting(these sup items will never see daylight unless enough votes are given) and 1 paid.
I'm sure it goes for itself, that the BM sup items don't need 100 votes to get(maybe one day 85, the next 67 or depending on how many active players there were the last day,...)

-- {cb1}Linguala

Ya give it to Jon

How about putting the price up on them though.Oh and bye the bye How about Jon has a 6 month lottery on new items he wants to try out? Costs ? $10,000 CB ? a ticket with oh 5? prizes or a fair sample for him to judge the new item by.Everyone knows they are subject to adjustments and they only last say 6 months . Well its a idea hopefully not to stupid.

-- Slashundhack

The BM will be supporter items only

That's fact, if you left supporter items into the BM, we'll never see another item that isn't a supporter item again in there.

-- Flamey

Yes! Everyone should have everything they want!

And make it widely available! Heck, that's why they call them 'rares', right? =D

-- QBOddBird

a few via auctions or $USD to Jon

I think it would help more than hurt if only a few were reintroduced, maybe 5 HoC etc.

"why so this can be USDBLender more than it is already

-- Hyrule Castle"

Anyone can pay CB$ to have someone send 10$ to Jon.

-- 8DEOTWP

Yes through USD to Jon

Why? Because it is extremely difficult to get rares anymore because either people are hoarding them, or players have gone inactive with rares sitting unused on their characters. And, nothing is more frustrating that wanting to start a new strategy and not have the items available to start it. NUB and NCB alike must get super frustrated when there are 5 to 10 FS/WTB threads all wanting the same items and yet none in auctions and no one replies to their threads. I have sold out and came back numerous times and each time I have sold out so as to give others a chance to use items I wouldn't be using. By allowing new members and old members alike the ability to purchase old supporter items, it levels the playing field and gives them a vested interest in staying and playing.

-- Relic

I predict a strong correlation between "No, supporter items should NOT be re-introduced!" and having an HoC or two.

-- NSFY

SNK4R Being Awesome

Just want to say thanks to SNK for posting the poll for us ^.^

-- BootyGod

usd, cb, lmnop...

I'm kinda torn. I'm all for helping the guy who runs games like this and sometimes I think the best way to do that is through USD donations. BUT as much as I'd like to get my hands on a bunch of rares at once (i've only been around since may and floundered a good chunk of the first part of that) I don't think that's fair to guys who've been playing for a long time (plus some people just can't drop the usd like that). BUT, new people should have more access to them than waiting for auctions only to be outbid anyway. Maybe ONE past supporter item per person and then like someone said, the occasional drop into auctions.
I don't know.

-- j'bob

They're supporter items for a reason,

IF YOU *WERE* A SUPPORTER at the time, you were able to get it, if you werent a supporter, then you must search around and pay high for it usually, thats the way it goes and always should go.

-- smallpau1 - Go Blues

Just add an extra round...

If everyone is going to have all of the supporter items, why just not add an extra round of ranged and eliminate the HoC? Let everyone who doesn't equip a tat earn an extra X% EXP on a minion of their choosing. If you have a mage who doesnt equip AG's, they automatically get some percentage of AMF reduction. If everyone can have all of the items, doesn't that kind of eliminate them from being special?

-- Tezmac

I think some of you are missing the point. Maybe even purposefully. NUB is a mechanic that was put into place to get people caught up. MPR is not the only deciding factor in a teams overall strength. Certain strategies rely on certain items. Single minion Archer, for example, all but requires a HoC. If the most popular or least divisive solution is spawning them into Auctions, then I am fine with that. There needs to be a way to make up for the items leaving the economy due to people quitting, imo.


-- Edicinnej

And i say, NUB is enough for people to *catch up*, if people need the HoC, they can save up to pay for one.

-- smallpau1 - Go Blues

paul: You ignored the point of my post entirely. I make $1M CB daily. I do not have a problem paying CB$ for the items that I wish to acquire. Finding those items AT ALL, however, is the issue.

-- Edicinnej

Static Number

How about a set number of supporter items? If a character is permanently retired with an item or an account is reset and that takes a supporter item out of the game, then that item could appear in black market auctions? This would not make the items any less rare but make sure they stay in the game.

-- phrog

Are you kidding?

I've sold like 3 HoC's in Auctions, all starting at a dollar, all of which I obtained when I was buying NUB supporterships for 200k + item. 34 HoCs have been Auctioned since they were introduced - which, btw, wasn't too long ago, and that doesn't count the ones that have been FS/WTB forum'd away. This also doesn't count HoCs bought by NUBs and past supporters.


Hi, I'm a NUB and/or someone who didn't buy a HoC when they were cheaper. I'd like to have my cake and eat it too. =)

edit: Phrog's suggestion directly above mine is pretty good, btw.

-- QBOddBird

I voted for no, but yes, i like phrogs idea alot too :)

-- [Nkki]WildEagle

ive been waitin to buy a hoc for $6 for a while now!

-- drudge

No

This would completely screw up the investments made by those who paid 5M+ for them...

-- Fanta

Re - GodWolf

What do you mean they don't stand a chance? How are people like me supposed to compete with NUB characers that can put EASILY 1mil NW into their ELB's each week AND still have plenty of cash to buy all their other equipment?

-- 48Zach

NOOO

if you dont buy a supporter item when it comes out, then tough luck. In every other game that is years old, they dont just keep re-releasing rares to newer players just so everyone can have one...because then those items arnt rare anymore. When some one retires a char with an item on it, it becomes even more rare. People will then pay more to get one and that boosts the economy. Phrogs idea is also very good, but other then that please NO

-- Bull3t F4c3

Agree with NS.

I agree with NS, in that supporter items should be in a "Supporters only, only buy one time" store. It seems like it would be somewhat trivial to build a front-end for a store that let's supporters buy anything they haven't purchased yet, whether it be a new item or a very old item. It could even work like naming items at the Blacksmith in that it blips over to PayPal to accept payment, and then automatically transfers the item after transaction is completed. All the pieces and parts have already been codes in one way or another (except for creating a SupporterToSupporterItem junction table to enforce the only-buy-once quality.

Also, if this were brought online, all supporter items would have to be scanned, and of a user had one or more, that would mark it as a buy (not including loans and rentals). So, even if someone bought several HoCs but never bought their "own", that would still have to count as a buy. Otherwise we would see a ton of supporter items flying off the shelves and flooding the market.

-- QBsutekh137

Black Market

I believe that Supporter Items should stay rare.
It should take like 5x the number of votes to get one to Black Market for bidding.

I also do not mind if usd is used either it keeps items in the game. If someone walks away from a character, that has a lot of supporter items could be lost and become even rarer.

I also believe a cap should be put on the number available in the game so as to keep them rare, but attainable if you are determined to get one.

I vote wrong, I vote any with explination but mean the Black Market.

Thanatos

-- Thanatos

Auctions

Auctions everyone should get the chance to me

-- TinTizzy

No

I like their exclusivity

-- AdminShade

As is Tizzy's case, this would allow non-supporters to get supporter items without even paying for supportership, hence Jon not even getting money anymore, they could all just wait till the new item comes out and get the old one in BM or Auctions.

-- smallpau1 - Go Blues

OOB: How is wanting to have an item available to me wanting my cake and eating it too? I have no problem paying what the market deems a HoCs value to be. I think it was June or July there were TWO sold the entire month in auctions. This month we are on pace for one a week.

The HoC isn't the biggest problem. I make enough money that I will be able to afford one the next time one comes up for sale. I do not think I will be able to afford the next TSA for sale. The problem with the TSA is that most of them in existence have been upgraded to the point that they are not affordable without spending USD (for me).

Why is it unreasonable to ask for a couple of base TSA's enter the game a month? How is that adversely effecting you? If anything, it helps you. It gives you more people to farm for CP/XP. It puts more money into the economy (through paid forging services) and is like to keep people around playing, trying new strategies, longer.

If you want this to be good ol' boy club why not just close off signups all together? Then those of you that have been playing since '05-'06 can enjoy each others company and never have to deal with requests like these ever popping up again.

-- Edicinnej

USD to jon: they are SUPPORTER items after all.

They need to be reintroduced, 5M for an item you payed $6 for just aint right. (Unless $6 USD = 5M, but that day is yet to come)

nice first pole as full admin SNK =)

-- ScY

Black Market

Make them possible to spawn but very tough to actually spawn. This way 1 supporter item per week or 2 may possibly spawn.

And nothing says that all the older players, who already have such items, have to vote as the newer players do. That is for a MgS or HoC to spawn, probably making it even harder to spawn them.

-- QBRanger

Spawn?

Wow, i counted 5 spawns in rangers comment...i thought i would add to it :)

and its not a bad idea
i went with the USD

-- Spawn

I'd go with the USD to Jon thing. I for one took a few breaks and then missed out on a good deal of time where I couldn't get access to the game and would love to be able to buy them.

-- FailBoat[SG]

How is it wanting to have your cake and eat it too?

You've got the massive extra bonus cash of the New User Bonus, but now you need to have the rarest, most valuable items available to you on demand? BTW, the HoC is *not* "necessary" to any strategy. It is *highly useful* to every ranged strategy, but not *necessary* to any.

As far as being able to afford the next one that comes up - I think you SHOULD have to save for a while to afford them as they come along. You're within the first month of your NUB and have the availability of buying your own HoC, the most expensive item of the game - and this is after affording some of your own gears. Why should the NUBs be able to afford ALL of the best Supporter items within the first 2 months? Rent a while!

As for this being "the good old boys" club, heck, it isn't like more supporter items aren't being generated *EVERY* Changemonth. Not only that, but the old ones are available...just not everyone will sell theirs simply because you insist upon having one.


This is what I mean by "having your cake and eating it too" - There's Supporter items that come out once a changemonth. These are generally top of the line items, the kind of thing you work your way towards owning, and they are introduced in a way that benefits Jonathan and initially is not too expensive. Time, however, causes them to increase in price due to their usefulness.

However, since they are useful/rare and the kind of thing people want, instead of allowing them to be the 'high-end' kind of item, people would rather them be available to everyone in equal proportion, making them just like a common item - why, then, were they released as Supporter items to begin with?

In every other game, there's usually a 'Rare, valuable' set of items. The cool, awesome stuff. The sweet set of armor, weaponry, etc. that you work for and that you are proud to own, and NOT everyone does, and they ACCEPT that. Here on CB, we have the "want to have my cake and eat it too" mentality - Hey, you have something cool, so why don't I have it? Jon, release that to everyone for what I consider a reasonable price! It's UNFAIR!

I'm having a difficult time conveying my point this late at night, but maybe someone gets it and can reword it better. *yawns* either way, I'm heading to bed for now.

-- QBOddBird

Okay Jenni... I love to see a Nub get the game and understand it so well that you can rise to the top, but you also have to look at it this way... us Vets are floundering here... We don't get the huge bonus to exp or cash unless we make an NCB. Then if we make one of those we only get the exp bonus and we STILL have to pay for our BA. Nub gets free BA, Huge cash bonus, with Exp bonus... Now you want to have the Supporter items easily available to nubs... How is that not having your cake and eating it too? Nubs don't have to worry about trying to make cash... they make 1 mil a week?!?! If not more.... Me, a Vet for over two years, makes only about 50k a day AFTER buying all my BA. Nubs can afford to pay the outrageous prices of the Supporter items that are very Rare now. So why reintroduce them to give the economy one less cash sink, etc. Now if NUB were to pay the current Market value on them to Jon I could understand letting more into the economy... But until that happens then my stance is no.

-- DrAcO5676

I don't understand how "supporter" items are being so closely married to the concept of Vets needing an edge. An item like the HoC that is in such high demand deserves to be re-introduced. And from what I hear a lot of the vets saying, they prefer an HoE instead. So what's with the big fuss? With an influx of new players, and trying to maintain a running games freshness.. you can't lock down certain aspects and bottleneck everyone just because people have played here longer. It will limit growth, create frustration, and you'll end up losing more people in the long run. That's the point of the NUB anyways, to make it reasonable to give new players a chance to compete. So let them compete. This entire comment is based on the items being called "supporter" items, not "you got her late so sux to be you" items. It sounds like the problem is more about how much $ the NUBs get, but isn't that based on upgrading costs for weapons, etc? The RoE was re-introduced, was that a complete failure? I don't think so at all. RoE's are still very high in demand but FAR more obtainable than the other rares. There are 400+ Jigs in the game, 290 RoE (after being re-introduced).... thats a lot more than there are the rest of the rares, and they haven't ruined anything for anybody. I paid the price for my rares, in more ways than one. But I'd rather see this change than keep the current state of things.

-- sooka

More reading comprehension issues

Not that you are the only one, but for illustrative purposes:

"Nubs can afford to pay the outrageous prices of the Supporter items that are very Rare now." Yes. Yes, they can. This is precisely what Jenn is saying. Now, if they were available for her to purchase, even at outrageous prices, that would be lovely.

In other news, I voted Black Market. Mostly just for the Black Market to really serve a purpose. Getting an extra one item a week into the game isn't so bad.

Plus!, all those who are terribly gung-ho on accomplishing that can constantly pressure (read spam) those same uncooperative nincompoops who keep voting Morg and ELB, week in and week out, to do something constructive with their votes. Join the joiners!

-- QBBast

Sooka:"This entire comment is based on the items being called "supporter" items, not "you got her late so sux to be you" items."

Well that is how it is... the supporter items were introduced and any current supporter could buy them for 6 dollars. So that whole sentence is moot, they were that way before so why change it cause some Nub's want it changed.

-- DrAcO5676

"just becasue some NUBs" ... um I've read how some regulars / vets whatever that have wanted the same change. I'm not a NUB anymore myself (well technically ya I am with the adjustment :). Time is a flying. I think this is more about an adjustment to "change" more than anything. Why should "some" NUB's be talked down to because they want to support the game? Like I said, the RoE was re-introduced... so in essence we're all just waiting for the next re-introduction. Which seems like it is overdue.

-- sooka

OB says it best

and that exactly why i was angered by the re-release of roe's

-- Bull3t F4c3

lol, RoE's are still in the WTB forum all the time even after being re-released, and they go for an avg. of 1.3-1.7 mil still. How does that anger you? Goodness.

-- sooka

black market here

i voted black market, i think that would add a trickle to the game which would appease both sides. it most likely would just keep up with items leaving the game if even that.

-- Admindudemus

Darn i voted wrong

i hate the idea of that, people who use usd being able to take over this game in another way, but i once heard i wise man say that it might be cool for the supporter items to go into the black market quote"that may add a trickle to the game"... im not completely opposed to that.

-- minicrackerjaxck

Either way..

I'd like to see them in black market.. but I'm not at a huge loss. Doesn't really matter to me. =]

-- [MM] Theatre Of Tragedy

sooka

because i thought my roe was worth around 3 mil and rare and all of a sudden people could cop them out for cheap

-- Bull3t F4c3

No items on the market?

I believe I saw 4-6 HoC's being sold in the past 2-3 days... Now's your chance to get one.. don't complain.

-- 48Zach

The HoCs are being sold by people who were in chat when Jon hinted at what the next supporter item to be reintroduced would be.

<Jonathan> it's pretty obvious which item is next up for reintroduction :)

Many Massively Multiplayer games use in some form or another of a zero sum economy. The money entering the game tends to equal the money leaving the game. NUBs have a bonus to CB$ earned. If supporter items spawned in auctions it would provide a mechanic for much of that money to leave the economy. Conversely, it could also go to veteran players for items or forging. What I see is the people against these items spawning randomly just want it going to them. Notice, Jon hints that the HoC will be reintroduced and many of the same people making the argument that they should be rare and show a persons time-in-game... are now trying to sell the very same items that two days ago they once so cherished.

So you say they we have a XP/Money bonus and should be happy with that. I am saying that supporter items spawning into auctions would bridge some of that gap between NUB and NCB, monetarily speaking. What is the problem?

-- Edicinnej

Choice of "rares"

Don't know if this has been touched on yet or not but... when a new supporter item is introduced, or "re introduced" why not give supporters the option of EITHER purchasing the new item OR one of the past items. This would control against people coming in and scooping up everything and still give people the option of getting an item that they feel is important to their strat but haven't been able to get yet.

-- j'bob

i think i like this comment above, but i still dont like the idea of them being re-introduced, as us Vets should get something more than people who are just joining today, ho are already able to catch up to us in MPR.

-- smallpau1 - Go Blues

Jenni: Keep in mind that most of us see our money going out the window if we don't sell the items that we paid alot for. If they get reintroduced... which they won't... alot of us wasted millions buying the ones that we did... and we are gonna lose millions when the price plummets...

I for one already stated that I don't "Need" my Hoc and there are a few others that don't "Need" them as well... its just nice to have one on some occasions. Now stop putting words in my mouth and get it right.

"I am saying that supporter items spawning into auctions would bridge some of that gap between NUB and NCB, monetarily speaking. What is the problem?"

How does that change anything... NCB's still don't make any money bonus... and who's to say that someone isn't just gonna start monopolizing the Hoc market after they start spawning into auctions? If someone were to monopolize then the price would stay the same and it wouldn't change a darn thing except more of them in other peoples hands.

"Notice, Jon hints that the HoC will be reintroduced"

Excuse me... thats all speculation... who's to say he will ever reintroduce another supporter item into the economy. Oh and while I'm at it... who's to say he was specifically talking about the Hoc when he made that comment.

-- DrAcO5676

Common sense

Common sense, draco, that line was copy and paste.

The HoC more than doubles the price of all the other supporter items, what else is he going to reintroduce?

-- Flamey

HoD... I mean.. HoC!! Thats it!

Pretty soon HoC's are going to be worth as much as a Helm of Durin.. Wont that be fun?!

-- 48Zach

that was utterly pointless.

(like this comment might I add, but at least I'm pointing it out).

-- Flamey

Rarity isn't the answer...

"This is precisely what Jenn is saying. Now, if they were available for her to purchase, even at outrageous prices, that would be lovely."

Offer more money... Someone will cave to thier greed.

We have to decide what supporter items *really* are in CB2. CB1 they were a funny little something, to help you get into the game.

This changed in CB, with them becoming the 'uber-rare' ZMOG OVERPOWER! item of the game.

If we want that to stay the way, and the power level of said items suggests that, then we need a check on them

Rarity is one, and the current one, but as I said in CB1 about the ELB, rarity should never be the counterbalance to sheer power.

If we make the current supporter items avialable to everyone, we need to add more 'Power Shield' checks to thier power, otherwise CB2 will suffer from everyone having all the same ultra powerful items...

-- AdminQBGentlemanLoser

JKF

Why can't you Ink a JKF? If Supporter items are to be reintroduced, shouldn't we be able to ink one?

-- AdminQBGentlemanLoser

Lot's of HoCs in auction now that a rumor of a re-release has been started. Better unload them quick!

-- NSFY

THANK YOU GL

Finally, someone who better communicates my point. Not EVERYONE should have the most powerful items in the game. The concept that every single person should own top-of-the-line gears, all upgraded all the way....seems silly. Shouldn't there be something to shoot for and earn up to? Rarity's the answer to it now.



-- QBOddBird

GentlemenLoser

exactly....

-- Bull3t F4c3

Changed my mind...

I voted No, but now that I had time to think about it, I like the Black Market option.

Supporter items spawning from the black market is a very good idea. It would make the more popular ones more common, but I am certain that they would still remain expensive. The Corn, EB, and DB still sell for close, if not over, $2M when they spawn in the auctions. So items like the HoC and the MgS would still be expensive and rare, but not as much.

-- Talion

Supporter Items

well i think only a supporter can get these items...so that rules out auctions and black market...no is just to harsh to the new players who come and cant ever get a hold them...so make it that a player can only get the supporter item once but has to be a supporter and has to spend the 6 dollars that every other player had to spend to get it

-- JaKobi1Kenobi

Maybe Change BM?

In response to Jake's comments, why not change the BM to a supporter-only feature. Thus the people voting on the items (and therefore the only people able to bid) are the supporters? It doesn't imbalance the game so much (in my opinion) as perhaps the favorites list (which allows you to maximize clan points)

-- [P]Mitt

The black market is a bad idea. It would just be another angle for people trolling auctions to make a profit in the game. I'd rather be giving more to, Jon.

-- sooka

While I voted 'No'

I wouldn't mind the ability to reintriduce old Supporter items as long as there are more checks and balances, more limits on them.

They are too good to not be limited. Currently as posted above, their limit is thier 'rarity' which while one option, is one I don't think is the best.

-- AdminQBGentlemanLoser

Check out the latest supporter item to hit 5 mil price, the AoF in FS/WTB. :)

-- TrueDevil