A 2007 CB T-shirt [1] (+1) (in General)

I think as new shirts are released the old shirts should gain a plus.
Not sure what it'd do, but it would be a nice bonus no matter what.

Yea, sure.

That's the ticket.

100% agreed. It's more of an incentive to stay longer, in a way.

yeah my wall would love that extra 2mil upgrade for nothing :)

Fully in agreement with Novice :)

i posted this idea in a previous thread and everyone said the same things about it being overpowered. i personally think that playing for over a decade to get a plus 10 item would not be that uber.

I personally don't see this ever being implemented, but I'm all up for any incentive to stay longer. I'm all for it.

Why not just allow a minion to wear multiple shirts...

I don't see the need. You don't upgrade your tshirts, you toss them when they get old and torn. Silly if you ask me. And I don't get in anyway how giving a +1 would stop the people who leave from leaving...

stopping the people from leaving and rewarding those that stay are two different matters entirely. much like reality and fantasy games.

? "but I'm all up for any incentive to stay longer" the comment was in response to that, Dudemus. Come on man, this isn't a long thread.

and why should there be a stackable reward? Just having an ongoing game like this should be reward enough for anyone playing. Just my opinion. I hope I'm around next year, but at the same time I'm not hoping that MY Tshirt is bigger than YOUR Tshirt, rofl.

why should we disagree without belittling another's opinion? for some of us doing so just because we can is enough. if you don't like stackable rewards for longevity, then think of it as a bonus for those that do not go the multi path for the nub.

all joking aside though, anything that might help keep people around is a good thing. it was just over a year ago or maybe 18 months that we were between 300 and 350 users per week. if we could actually see growth again rather than shrinkage that would be great!

then you should think about things to change. stacking old items isn't a good idea.

Think about *other* things to change. (why can't we edit our posts, lol, I type to fast when I'm working on other stuff :/.. Mavis Beacon eat your heart out)

You lack a why in your statement kev...

Why is a single plus bump to a non transferable item bad?

Um Novice... you lack why in yours too?

Why is it good?

Because it's a milestone, and makes the older shirt more valuable than the new one.

With the nerfing of steel skin, heavy AC users have lost a considerable amount of capability, this would be a small token of respect to them, giving them a reason to hold on to the gear, and keep trying for that magical invulnerability to physical damage.

The reason I feel it is bad is because I don't think just because a player that has been in the game a longer period of time "deserves" or should "need" a stackable bonus that other people who join at a later point will never be able to get. Again, I kind of answered this with my thought that I wouldn't want someone later to join and not be able to have a gift given from the game just because they found out about this sweetness at a later point than the rest of us.

Yes,

I too believe that anything that gives even the slightest advantage to people who have been loyal players for 4 years is not in the best interest of the game.

It needs to be run as socialistic as possible. In that nobody at any time should be able to obtain even the minuscule amount of advantage.

We need to let new players catch up to older players in 1/6th the time or even less. We need to coddle them and give them everything that older players have had.

In fact, we need to retroactively give all players the 2007 version of the T-shirt to show how nice we as a game are to new players who deserve everything handed to them on a golden, no platinum platter.

But seriously... what the HELL is the problem with given players who have built this game a freaking +1 to their T-shirt. As a sign of pride for supporting this game for 4+ years.

I 100% support QBnovice's idea and hope it is enacted yesterday.

And will that extra enormous +1 make people stay longer in CB. No. Of course not. Only a radical change to the game will do that. But that is for another thread.

The t-shirts already have 1 AC. There's your bonus.. And now older players have *two* tshirts, to use on two minions, whereas newer players have 1 or none.

Having something more valuable that others have no way of acquiring, ever, doesn't make any sense to me. If they were transferable, or sellable that would be a different story.

That doesn't make sense to you? Well, there's the problem. It makes a LOT of sense to people like me, being with this game for almost 6 years now.
This isn't about the power of the 1 ac. That doesn't matter. Don't try to argue that point. What matters is a tangible thing you can refer to and say, "Wow. Look at that, look how much I've put into this game. It's nice to see it give something back."

Ranger, your last post acutally sounds more communist ;) I'm kind of used to some of you guys and how you feel about older players, "Vets", deserving all these grand rewards.... but it is a GAME! The way you guys think about this stuff puts a hierarchy on things and in no way promotes a level playing field.

Seriously... if someone joins tomorrow, I 100% agree that they should be able to compete for how high it goes. That is the basis for an ONGOING game. At least that's what I have come to believe in with seeing what Jon is promoting. Some of you guys who have really put some years into this, are very bitter in discussing it otherwise, and I can understand it, but seriously think about if you never knew about this game and just signed in tomorrow.

If I never knew about this game, and signed in tomorrow, I wouldn't give a crap if someone had a tunic I couldn't get. I think you're reading into the apparent unfairness of this a bit too much.

"Wow. Look at that, look how much I've put into this game. It's nice to see it give something back."

you need an item that other people can't have to feel that way? You have to be on a tier where others can't be to feel that way? Seriously... your character SHOULD make you feel that way, no?

No, I don't NEED an item to feel that way. But wouldn't it be nice? Really, I don't see why you're arguing so vehemently against this.

vehemently? seriously? LOL

When you are the one replying to 4+ other people, you tend to have to put your face in the crowd more often. Do recognize that.

The shirts are a trick in the first place to make SG more powerful. Heh

As for an actual response, no much reason this would be bad... or add that much, but it's a nice touch I guess. Obviously, if the game ran for 100 more years, it'd have to be rethought.

lol, Cube.

I think a better solution to the TShirt thing would be put a ranking system in here that gives you higher promotion status symbols on your info screen the longer you are here. Some servers on NS I play on have a built in mod where the more time you play on their server the cooler of a rank you get and a more flashy icon. One server uses military style icons, another uses skulls that change color and shape.

Cool thing is that you get the attention/recognition you are craving, bias free :) It would encourage people to "stay" and get higher ranks, and those who helped deeper in the game, Jon could give special patches/awards to. Oh ya, baby.

(and yes, it is pretty sweet)

the lol, was to your first post, Cube, that 2nd one was in there before I finished mine :)

I like that idea.

You could have "player of the month" awards, funny oddball type awards, etc.

We used to have player of the month rewards--QB.

Perhaps you should know the history of CB before you rehash old ideas.

I still fail to see the problem with a +1 added to the old T-shirts.

Like it will make any difference in 99.999% of all the battles fought in CB.

""Vets", deserving all these grand rewards.... but it is a GAME! The way you guys think about this stuff puts a hierarchy on things and in no way promotes a level playing field."

You mean like the bonus to cash and XP rewards that us vets get? The ability to custom-build a char from the ground up to an exact desired XP ratio while still having to upgrade items the whole way along? Or is there another benefit that "vets" get that I'm forgetting?

Do not forget the benefit all the vets received testing out all the new skills/spells/abilities/items so the new players would know most everything and not have to spend BA/money testing things out.

Or the benefit us vets had in the ability to buy already upgraded items at less then the 100% most of us spent upgrading it.

You mean like the bonus to cash and XP rewards that us vets get? The ability to custom-build a char from the ground up to an exact desired XP ratio while still having to upgrade items the whole way along? Or is there another benefit that "vets" get that I'm forgetting?

Um correct me if I'm wrong, but noone is stopping the old-timers from starting a new character and going at it with a new custom strat?

Um Ranger, it sounds like you have some skeletons with this topic, and I don't have time to reply. All I have to say is I'm sorry you feel the way you do about how unfair you think you have it. I have no problem with selling the items I have upgraded to people and the last thing that crosses my mind is how unfair it is. Granted I have only played for 5 months, but hopefuly in 5 years I can look back at this and laugh. And if you were to get anything, Jon should just give you a ton of $CB and be done with it. This nonsense about how unfair you have it and how you have helped "create" an ONGOING game.

How about this... after you have played for "X" years, Jon allows you to start over as a NUB if you so desire???

A 2007 CB T-shirt[1](+1).. As long as that's where it maxes out, I don't see any problem with adding a little bit of incentive to stay.
However, if it were to accumulate +1 every year, it would give too much of an advantage. This sort of argument has probably been posted before no doubt, just thought I'd add my 2 cents.

I think this is getting out of hand. Jon gave us something for being active in 2008 and now people are all like "I'm not happy. I demand more."

at one time in carnage blender our character was our trophy. we built it up and was proud of it. i think much of this stems from the disposable nature of teams in the current model. i also feel that this is why we have lost so many vets over time. so you can look at it that we are wanting something that others cannot have or you can look at it in the light of us wanting recognition for our dedication in a game that really gives no other advantage to longevity, and oddly enough most of us agree with that.

Kevlar,

Your posts on the subject as well as your CM's to me, some very nasty and un-PG, show that you have no respect for the game and its players.

I hope you find another one that is more to your style, where vets get nothing that new player do.

I, however, can think of none in a long term game that does not reset after a time.

I hope you are still here after 2 more years and see how new players can get exactly what you have. In time perhaps, you will see what we "vets" do.

Well such an argument from everyone about such a small thing seems a bit over the top in my opinion. Something to much for vets, vets think it is unfair....bbla blah blahhhh is all I see. Stop the crying I see this in almost every thread I read on CB now and it is kinda sad.....threads should be at least a little more upbeat. Look it is just an idea.....if you dont like it then just say that and stop the arguing/crying. The New players get something as an incentive to play why shouldnt the Vets get something as an incentive to Continue playing? Having a ranking structure(New Player, Vet, OP,SubAdmin / Admin) is already in effect. Look at the Character Statistics/Standings and Realms that is something for the players on a whole as well. So instead of Crying about why this or that how about we get together and actually think of a few different ideas and then present them to one of the Admins who in turn would work their way up the Chain of command and actually get something done. Otherwise it is nothing more than a big fat bellyaching contest that can be done in chat rather than messing up the Threads with nonsense.

I am sure however that there will be a bellyaching supposed answer to this as well.

Me starts singing "Why can't we be friends why can't we be friends why can't we be friends" /me then hands everyone a beer.

/me joins AG_Titan in the singing....takes the beers from the minors none for you :P

I think we should all change the 2007 and 2008 CB T-shirts to [0] and retroactively give us 2006 and 2005 CB T-shirts.

Therefore, all they are will be a badge of honor and not something that new players can complain about.

Zenai, they are still talking about the CB T-shirt ;). Kind of.

You see ppl now there is an idea! brings [P]Mitt into the singing circle.

/me still is standing here pantsless

anyone wanna know the opinion of another NUB?

for those that have been here:
congrats you now own 2 t-shirts, when you only owned one i envied you. Now that you own 2 i will still envy you, but because i own 1 its not so bad.

for those NUBs out there that just own 1 like myself

waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh

let the vets have their 2 shirts and add plusses to them for each year if jon sees it fit.


BUT, i say let the plus only add itself once per year and only add 1 more ac per +

When you hit insanely high AC, and yes, it does happen, 1 (+) can cost upwards of 2 million.

Yeah.

Which is why I think Jon should change them to [0] and retroactively give 2006 and 2005 T-shirts. Therefore, they won't affect the game and will be balanced, but still will reward players for dedication to the same game.

so Mitt your saying just for the badge of honor?
not a bad idea

Ranger,

When you send a CM that reads: From: QBRanger Sent: 7:27 PM EST Delivered: 7:28 PM EST
you are 100% wrong. RIght now you get everything else all of us older players have handed to you. The freaking NUB gives you the ability to get everything I obtained in 1/6th the time. Without having to waste BA experimenting on things, spending CB2 on useless items. We trailblazed the game and you benefit from it. It is just a +1, not a new weapon on we have. Just show some respect for the older players and stop being a putz.

you best be ready for a word coming back at you. I can't believe someone has the audacity to write the things you do and then ask for "respect". all >> I << was doing was offering my opinion on the matter which I am entitled to. You are completely off your rocker with this entire issue.

It's funny how people are reading this and now it is "new players complaining"... seriously. It is the "vets" that are complaining that they don't have it good enough and I'm just saying that there is better implementation to accomplish it.

I still think my idea for a ranking system with icons or badges or something is awesome, have seen it proven on other servers, and think you are being just stubborn and threatening where there is no need to do so.

Future supporter item: Pacifier of futility

kevlar, drop it. Seriously. This wasn't a thread to solve personal differences and to post them to the world.

It's honestly a thread about an idea about the 2007 CB-T.

I've always been of the opinion that linking a CM someone sent you in forums is of the worst possible taste.

He treated you like an adult by taking the time to address you personally (whether or not you viewed it as such) and you decided to call him out in public.

Not only was it rude, but it was simply unnecessary.

Secondly, this entire thread has grown absolutely ridiculous. It was such a simple thing to ask for. 1 AC is really worth all this?

You know.... Just to make sure everyone is aware, you ARE allowed to read a thread, give your opinion AND THEN LEAVE IT. You don't have to respond to the next post which in any way goes against your post. Your opinion will be heard. But the 10 posts afterwards are just flame because nothing you're going to say at that point is going to add anything but conflict.

sorry man, I will drop it when the moronic posts stop coming. Ranger wants to go, we'll go. He has taken this to a place where it doesn't need to be. His last post was ridiculously out of line. When someone says you don't respect the game or its players based on a debate about something like this, you have some SERIOUS issues.

Wretched read his last post, he called me out and said some pretty tasteless things.

seriously, kevlar. It DOESN'T matter who hits last. If he says tasteless things in his last post, don't you think everyone will see it? By responding by using tasteless rebuttals, you are doing exactly what he was going and you are making a fool of yourself as well.

Please, drop it.

I'll give ya that Mitt, but I'm sick of some people how they try to manipulate the entire thread by taking a personal thing and making it public.

So back to the topic...

I think a better solution to the TShirt thing would be put a ranking system in here that gives you higher promotion status symbols on your info screen the longer you are here. Some servers on NS I play on have a built in mod where the more time you play on their server the cooler of a rank you get and a more flashy icon. One server uses military style icons, another uses skulls that change color and shape.

Cool thing is that you get the attention/recognition you are craving, bias free :) It would encourage people to "stay" and get higher ranks, and those who helped deeper in the game, Jon could give special patches/awards to. Oh ya, baby.

(and yes, it is pretty sweet)

Kevlar,

You posted one of my CMs to you that was in response to the numerous ones you sent me. Wretched addressed that much better then I could have. Be insightful of his words, he is quite wise.

And there was some profanity in the ones you sent me.

Best to drop it and move on. Your posts and CMs to me have been nothing but disrespectful.

Respect is earned over time. You seem to expect it from day 1. There are plenty of new players who have my respect, they have earned it. You, unfortunately, will not gain the respect of most of CB given your recent actions.

News to you, post like yours and posting CMs which are to be private do nothing to earn it.

BTW, Have a great day :)

Dude I didn't post any profanity, I smacked ya back for the putz comment. Sugar coat it any way you will... I'm done with you. And believe me I don't want respect from someone like you. GG :)

Moving on.....

As this has obviously gotten a little out of hand, can someone please close the thread and repost the useful ideas to another?

I would, but...
1) I'm not an admin
2) I don't have the time

Yes, best this thread be close to stop any more ill will towards our fellow wo/man

Classy :)

/me likes his shirts. He wonders if it fits under or over his armor?

"I think we should all change the 2007 and 2008 CB T-shirts to [0] and retroactively give us 2006 and 2005 CB T-shirts."

I second/third PMitts idea.

These shirts are more like trophies, are they not? Trophies have no use but for flaunting, why shouldn't the t-shirts as well? :)

I think Novices idea is good!

(End of BluBBens writing in this thread)

kevlar, you're going to get a time out soon. I'd suggest learning how to think before you post, despite how helpful Mavis Beacon has been for your typing skills. I'm offering this as a suggestion. Please take it in earnest.

Novice, this is a really cool idea. It is plain to anyone that understands the fighting system that 1 AC per year will do nothing to upset game balance (or tip the scales in any fight), and it is a neat feature that encourages longevity.

Since shirts only go to supporters, then we'll just call it a "supporter feature" instead of a "vet feature", and now no one can complain that vets get preferential treatment. We can just say that another benefit of being a supporter is that you have a completely arbitrary chance to receive an extra AC at any point during your time here.

if the game stays around long enough, say ten years or so, i think there should be a watch to those that have been around from the beginning of CB2 (which i did not do). i'm not saying it has to have any ability, but i think it would be nice to easily recognize who has supported the community for so long. or maybe if it's around even longer just give a watch to anyone who has been around for 5 or 10 years.

I think it's a nice little idea that is more for sentimental values rather then using it for a piece of AC lol. :D

i agree entirely with wasp on this one.