Multi: kronopolous / Fatil1ty (in Public Record)

Banned kronopolous and reset Fatil1ty.

very very surprised

Me too.

To bad that even people you trust can turn out like this..

I. Just. Don't. Get. It.

Multi-ing is one heck of a time waster, AND it's basically a CB suicide. Get a job people, this game is not going to buy you anything worth the time you lost to acquire it...

Jeez.

Wow! O.O

Very unexpected.
Good find G Beee

Man man man, well that sucks why do it when you know the consequences?

It's like they hope "this time they won't find the multi, because I'm smarter."

Like the admins are going to start sucking so bad as to nullify all those times they DID find the multi. Some clever one in that lot too, I'm sure.

Coulda swore they were roommates and not one person, oh well, goes to show what i know huh?

=3 now is the time you need to hear a loud booming "FATALITY" from Mortal Kombat

Holy crap. I thought the headline was a joke. It's a shame to see that happen with a dedicated, helpful player.

This sucks. Good find, wish you could have found it sooner though :|

I feel bad for all the players who made deals with this devil.

It's never fun to see such a thing happen. Even if those 2 accounts were played by 2 people, we've found too many evidence that it was not the case.

And otherwise, both accounts had too many similarities and anomalies to be real...

good thing i didn't insta my tat with his...wow

Alright so it finally happened. I will explain myself;

I am indeed only one person and I did not multi to make money. I multied because after my ncb was done I found no enjoyment in the much slower game. For me the fun was in racing people such as dudemus,wasp,and others with an ncb. Due to the Insane cost to run another ncb in usd terms I decided to just start another user. Continuing with this account really offered 0 benefit over just restarting.


I love this game and I only ever gave out valid advice and enjoyed thread discussions immensely. The community is amazing however arguing and disagreement over game suggestions really took it's toll in me. Unfortunetely my current job has me working outside all day so I cannot play cb. When I finish my training I will be working at a desk an may start another character.

"I am indeed only one person and I did not multi to make money."

Sweet, so this means you'll be refunding all of your ill-gotten gains?

Feel free to pay any amount of CBD to Corath to help ease your guilt. Considering I paid you off first because you 'needed the cash quickly' and now I'm unable to pay Corath off...

ZzZz

So you're going to pay them back right?

Otherwise, I'd suggest Credit Risk flagging him.

and by CBD I mean USD... (sorry I'm tired)

sooo friggin weak

No no. This is evidence that the current system IS working. As everyone knows, Fatility as a terrible person! /endthicksarcasm.

For the record, a rolling bonus would get rid of the disposable character feeling.

/BeatingDeadHorse

So...

Since the game does not bow to my whim, I will cheat...

Sounds reasonable to me...

Or not... weak...

to all those who claim that I should repay gains...I lost approx 60,000,000 in CBD and another 60M in item NW on the reset and ban.

Now that hurts

:D

What hurts is everyone who trusted you...

Big deal, you lost some online cash.

Jiraya lost a few hundred bucks.

lol...define lost...he paid for something at an agreed upon price...got what he paid for and I got the money agreed upon...as far as I know he's out nothing

:/ wow

SG Fatility is right on this Jir got what he wanted. If this was RL and you got sold a "Hot" item, well that gets confiscated as well to be used as evidence when the perpetrator gets caught. Here on CB that doesn't happen, if you get sold stuff by a multi you still get to keep it. The multi is the one who has to rightfully pay for their illegal gaming actions.

So what did Jir actually lose, nothing more than what I did from buying from Fatility/Kronopolous. I paid for a product(CBD) I got said product. What you guys are looking to get is what I also got by default. I was on a pay plan with him and he got caught BEFORE I could pay him off. Lucky me I came out ahead because he screwed up.

Jir broke even nothing bad happened to him other than he bought from a multi...big...freaking...deal. So to those who are harping on this can it.Fatility in not a bad guy he just made a stupid decision and is paying for it right now.

As far as the trust well he is gonna have to work on that for a while to get is back it's part of the deal. He knew what the consequences were and what was to come afterward. He explained himself(not grounds for forgiveness) and took the responsibility for it(grounds for kudos), most players do not do that they just sorta disappear. He started a NCB and is at least trying to get back on track, hopefully he has learned from his mistake and we do not get to lose a possibly good player.

In short people bought from him, he screwed up and lost everything, some came out ahead, all at least broke even and that is all that matters. Quit trying to get water from a stone you freaking whiners it is what it is deal with it. He's moving on so should you.

To: AdminNightStrike Sent: August 11 10:09 PM EDT Delivered: August 11 10:09 PM EDT
check out IP addy 99.236.189.219, Seems Fatility and Krono both use it.

Ranger finally got one of these stupid multis11111

Fatil1ty cheated; big deal; move on...
I thought it was a very polite and reasonable explanation Fatil1ty; good luck in the future.

Are you saying that we should move on because he is moving on?

Okay, so if I go out and kill a dozen people, then move on, nobody should care because I've moved on and so should they.

If I go scam you and then move on, you should be perfectly fine with it, right?

"I was on a pay plan with him and he got caught BEFORE I could pay him off. Lucky me I came out ahead because he screwed up."

I need a ruling on this. Technically you owe him the money. Just because he got caught doesn't mean you don't have to keep paying him. He's not banned - you said it yourself: "He started a NCB and is at least trying to get back on track, hopefully he has learned from his mistake and we do not get to lose a possibly good player." So in what way do you come out ahead? You still owe him money, reset or not.

As for my personal issues, I'm appalled that he has profited with USD from this game while taking advantage of the NUB. I don't believe him when he claims "I did not multi to make money", and I feel that he should not be allowed to continue playing unless he returns (or donates) his ill-gotten gains to the players he has deceived or the game itself (via Jon or NS)

Mitt, he lost a lot more than he gained on his char Fatil1ty, especially since Zen only got 1/3 of the way through his payments.

He knowingly broke the rules.

He deserved to lose everything.

"Just because he got caught doesn't mean you don't have to keep paying him."

Zen's off the hook. Fatil1ty can't profit from it now that he's caught, and I think there's a precedence in the archives from scammers getting reset at the onset of CB2.

Then should the admins take back the money he received, as it was ill-gotten gains that apparently he does not have to pay?

So what happens in this thread? http://www.carnageblender.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002pPx
Does Dinh get away with having to pay nothing now? So pretty much he's walking away with 40m for free?

"Are you saying that we should move on because he is moving on?

Okay, so if I go out and kill a dozen people, then move on, nobody should care because I've moved on and so should they.

If I go scam you and then move on, you should be perfectly fine with it, right?"

For those references I will not even put them even in a similar continent of each other, the analogy does not apply that is real life this is a freaking game. Geeze you would figure people would say well nobody but the multi is owed and well since they were caught it is over.....but no they have to drag it around and try to make it worse. What is done is done Mitt. The only real scam was that Kronopolous was really Fatility, Fat was reset Kronopolous was banned all items/money confiscated.

"I was on a pay plan with him and he got caught BEFORE I could pay him off. Lucky me I came out ahead because he screwed up."

I need a ruling on this. Technically you owe him the money. Just because he got caught doesn't mean you don't have to keep paying him. He's not banned - you said it yourself: "He started a NCB and is at least trying to get back on track, hopefully he has learned from his mistake and we do not get to lose a possibly good player." So in what way do you come out ahead? You still owe him money, reset or not."

/me facepalms Mitt you really need to research things BEFORE you speak, I made the deal with Kronopolous it he was indeed BANNED so the deal is nullified.

"As for my personal issues, I'm appalled that he has profited with USD from this game while taking advantage of the NUB. I don't believe him when he claims "I did not multi to make money", and I feel that he should not be allowed to continue playing unless he returns (or donates) his ill-gotten gains to the players he has deceived or the game itself (via Jon or NS) "

Not a chance on this, those were legitimate deals people paid for and got what they wanted, if this were the case then they should give up what they got as they were "Hot" items/products....fat chance is making that work jack!

The items are Donated Mitt once again this comes to the fact that either you are not researching or you are just not paying attention. All items and money confiscated from Multis are Donated/Given to Tourney Prizes for Tournament Prizes and/or Contests.

I do agree however that just getting reset is not quite enough if they really want to play then they should have to go through a probationary period. During this period they should have to follow through a set of steps that are predetermined by the Admins. Just my thoughts on it though.

Burton, Dinh owes the money to Godwolf.

Ranger, the admins usually don't intervene too far in scamming cases in the form of returning gear, right? It will likely fall under the same category.

Zenai I think he was saying that whomever you owe to you should keep paying. So in the instance that your debt was to a banned player then the money would continue to go to Tourney Prizes. Rather than you just getting a great deal. I personally don't care how it works out, but I do feel sorry for Dihn because of how he went about paying his debt off.

Well that part is an opinion on Mitt's side Soxjr and well until it is set into Rules/Guidelines I will only take it as such. I will follow the rules that are in effect now not someones opinion of what they should be. If there is an Amendment to the rules then I will follow them as directed, however, rules say if you are Banned all deals are off. Kronopolous was banned so the deal is off plain and simple, what more should I say?

As far as the rest of the people that did what they did on deals with Fatility/Kronopolous? I will say it yet again, they bought a product and got it the deal is done. If they made other deals to take care of these I do not think they should be affected. The instance is different, and with a different person, it should not be tampered with. That is taking away free trade and replacing it with regimented fixed trade, Not Cool At All. We would lose way too many Players for that reason alone.

Lame.

See I was trying to not get into this, but your thoughts on this are so backwards. You are saying someone got a deal and recieved what they purchased and their deal continues. So all that is fair, but you got a deal and basically got a refund without having to give back the product you purchased. For all those that aren't in your great spot and made the deal with the reset player and not the banned one, have to keep paying?? If it was me, I would be very upset, because basically you get to have your cake and eat it too.. Oh well though. If something isn't fair, I'm sure the game designers or admins will fix it. :)

Everyone else got off even, Fatil1ty didn't really make anything from this, and Zenai got a great deal. What's the problem here?

People get way too worked up too easy.

Sucks for all involved as it just creates a headache.

For real though, if you want to buy any CBD to help your new NCB out, lemme know :D

This is pretty shocking in my opinion. I never expected Fatility would be a multi.

I never expected it either, but hey, that's the throwaway team system/bonus system we've got. It literally drives people toward this sort of thing.

I would like to see this thread closed.
Let Fatality fix his mistake in peace.
His reasons make sense, i myself was thinking of doing such a thing, so let it go.

May you get past this Fatality, and best wishes with your gaming.

You were thinking of making a NUB to sell the CBD?

I was thinking of making a NUB to make up for wasting my original NUB bonus and to avoid the excessive prices of a top NCB run.

You know..... In the future, I think the threads should start with a thread lock.


In all my years here, I've never once seen anything interesting or useful come from these thread discussions.

Just my opinion though =)

Send remaining owed money to tourny prizes or central bank... Its as simple as that... Dont see what the fuss is about...

""See I was trying to not get into this, but your thoughts on this are so backwards. You are saying someone got a deal and received what they purchased and their deal continues. So all that is fair, but you got a deal and basically got a refund without having to give back the product you purchased. For all those that aren't in your great spot and made the deal with the reset player and not the banned one, have to keep paying?? If it was me, I would be very upset, because basically you get to have your cake and eat it too.. Oh well though. If something isn't fair, I'm sure the game designers or admins will fix it. :)""

You are kidding right Soxjr? Not trying to get into it but you sure seemed to try and interpret what Mitt said. Not even knowing that he did not know that I made the deal with Kronopolous in the first place. So Seriously are you kidding?

Correct me if I am wrong but ANY player making a deal with ANY player that is BANNED the deal is off no? So if 50 people made a deal with the BANNED player then ALL of their deals are FINISHED, OFF, DONE, ENDED, & COMPLETED. So what is the problem here? If other people had made deals with Kronopolous and they got off would you go after them too? AK said it right "lame".

If you make a deal with someone else that is a SEPARATE deal what part of that do you not get? If I make a deal with X and then make a deal with Y to pay for the deal with X then that is still a deal with Y, X really has nothing to do with it at ALL. If X were Banned the deal with Y still sticks because they were not the one Banned how hard is that to understand? So how is my understanding backwards? I believe you need to look at things through a different looking glass that one you are using now is damaged.

Jir evened out(although he got a great price per mil....still a bit ahead if you ask me and no one twisted his arm to put him hundreds of USD into debt he did it on his own willingly no offense intended bro), Dihn is still paying because he made a deal with Godwolf to pay Fatility off, I made a deal with Kronopolous and I came out ahead because he was banned.

If anything to make things better I would do this, any monies confiscated would go to item management to help pay off Dihn's debt and honestly that would be me being nice nothing more as that was a SEPARATE deal.


As far as upset pfft whatever, be glad no one got scammed to the point that they gave USD and never got anything at all, this is not the case everyone got what they made a deal for, EVERYONE. Honestly this was a benign multi reset/banning.

The problem I see is that someone got ahead and a few are pointing fingers saying "Hey, no fair!" because they or someone else did not get the same break. You know what that is life, every once in a while that is bound to happen whoopitie doo. To me this was like a lotto and I had the winning ticket, next time it will be someone else. *shrugs* Once again that is life sometimes other people get to have a break while you don't, the opposite happens too you know and that is when you count yourself as lucky.

My Verdict: Discussion Dismissed Due to Irrelevance on your Part.

You make deals with people sometimes you get burned, sometimes you get lucky.

But really, if I made a deal with (and owed money to) a multi of another player and that multi got banned, even though the other player was still here, I wouldn't be in any hurry (read: no hurry at all)to pay anything back, and it wouldn't even occur to me that maybe I should be paying that debt to the game.

If somebody is stupid enough to multi then all bets are off I'm afraid. There seems to be some sympathy for Fatil1y because he appears to have held his hands up and said 'yes I'm guilty' but he didn't put his hands up before he was caught, so I'm afraid my sympathy isn't going to be extended anytime soon.

Zenai, go about your business I'd say. The player you owed your money to is gone.

Now, where's the bar?

Good. Never really liked fatility.

Can someone explain this problem between Fatility and Z?

Who owes or does not owe whom what?

As I see it, Krono was eliminated from the game. Any debts owed to him or he owed are gone.

Fatility is still playing. Reset but still a member of CB. Any debts to that user should still be active. Whether he owes money or is owed money.

And this is yet another example of why the NUB is a horrible idea.

This is but 1 multi caught how many more are there? Plenty.

Especially if I found it he must have been doing it poorly. How many are like Duke doing it right and not getting caught?

as usual ignore the lostling

Ouch wasp that hurts. Well I always held you in te highest regard.

I held you in the highest regard Fatility.

Until you disappointed me by cheating.

I've always liked Fat1lity, and while I am disappointed about the cheating, I find myself blaming the N*B system more than the player at this point.

It simply wouldn't be an issue with a Rolling Bonus in play.

You blame the system? Are you kidding me?

That the final straw as far as I'm concerned, just remove the NCB period. We don't deserve it.

I still don't see that fixing the NUB, which is what so often tempts players to multi.

I'm not looking to solve the problem... I'm saying that the idea that we deserve a free ride needs to go.

"I'm saying that the idea that we deserve a free ride needs to go."

It is hardly a free ride...

No but that's what is being requested... If it's ok to multi because the NCB is too hard... then folks are looking for a free ride.

IIRC, it's not supposed to be a free ride at all, it's supposed to be very expensive. Expend the effort needed, get a shot at the top.

But a linearly increasing bonus only delayed by mass expansions of the bonus timeperiod is a faulty system at best, and when you consider that linearly increasing bonus applies to cash in a game where virtual-currency-to-real-currency trades are not just allowed, but encouraged...well, I look at that as faulty and needing a fix.

You might not be looking to solve the problem, novice, but I see it as a huge problem and I _am_ looking to see it eventually solved.

So because some people might cheat we should scrap a system that does it's job?

It is a trade off, you get a grinder game which is still appealing to newcomers at the expense of giving a large incentive to cheat for existing players. The trade off looks good from a dev perspective, not so good from an existing players one.

I have been a fairly vocal opponent of the NUB over the years but I think it has served its purpose quite well.

does its job?

you mean rockets newbies into a 500% bonus, sending them flying up the ranks so quickly that even with supportership, they cannot hold a favorites list for more than a day without having to update it, continuing the ride of 6 whole months, then dropping them flat on their faces into no-bonus-land and informing them that if they wasted their chance at upper echelons this time then there's a 200M fee to try again?

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with having a bonus to give newbies a shot at the top. I think that's fantastic. But the way it works now, no.

They go on a nice bonus ride which starts the first day, while they are totally unprepared.
It rockets them up way too fast to reasonably expect a REAL new player (not a multi) to pick good targets and make a decent list that can be updated.
It offers great perks, such as free BA and a cash bonus to get caught up monetarily, but then it dumps them there and the NCB - rightly expensive - is the only option for fixing their newbie experience.
The bonus is ever-increasing, as well. At what point is that too much to handle? It's already difficult to keep up with updating your list at 500%. What about at a 1000% bonus? 2000%? Or should the timeslot for the bonus just keep expanding, so that you're a newbie for the first decade of the game?

I'm exaggerating a little there, but surely you understand the problem here. THE SYSTEM ITSELF is extremely faulty, and no, I don't believe it does its job well enough.

Indeed the system becomes less satisfactory as time goes by but what alternative do you suggest (other than rolling bonus)

This must be one weird day as it seems I'm defending the NUB here. I'm really not but I don't think it is quite as bad as people make out, particularly if you can take a dev/new player perspective.

Can we go back to the 4 month N*Bs? So I can spend 1/12 the effort of Poison and get the same results. /winthread

simple, an alternative that doesn't include a fixed timespan.

the rolling bonus is one example of that. I just purchased this laptop, so I don't have my txt file with bonus suggestion thread links, but later tonight I'll go looking for them and post a few.

there _are_ alternatives.

Are you planning to multi Art :P

Nah, I'll just drop a load of USD, then put it in the my bow. Do effectively what Ranger did, except while running an NCB I could get another M more MPR than he did. With that much more MPR and the same NW, I would have the top easily. So, I'll see you in about a year nov.

Things like this show the NUB is NOT doing its job.

How many more people are as of yet uncaught?

A rolling bonus solves almost all these problems.

How many more people are as of yet uncaught?

I would love to post my suspicions but I fear it would create too much hassle and I have no solid proof though I am pretty certain about 1 individual.

I told Bee about 4 of Duke's multis I think but he couldn't prove anything.

I believe, but cannot prove there are at least 10 other multis in CB.

Out of 200 or so players that is a high % overall.

So again, how is the NUB doing its job?

"Indeed the system becomes less satisfactory as time goes by but what alternative do you suggest (other than rolling bonus) "

The rolling bonus is the alternative. Why suggest another when this figures to solve most of the problems for BOTH new and old players.

I would love for Jon to chime in on exactly why he is against it. Other than a token "it promotes laziness". Which is worse than the current NUB which promotes multis? I would take laziness in a heartbeat if that was even true.

Perhaps then we can have a good discussion on why it is not a good idea for CB.

But until we get some discussion occurring from the developers, we can do nothing more than moan about a system that is grossly unfair to older players. The ones who have supported CB all these years.

Via item namings, supporterships and supporter items.

try to think of it this way.. fatality is sorry and pays the penalty of having his account reset.. now he starts with nothing and gets no NUB

the entire community gets a confidence boost since there was an "intruder" in the system and the admins caught him

he probably just didn't have the patience necessary to play the game as it's throttled, or maybe he just had too much time on his hands.. you have to feel for someone that has nothing better to do than play CB non-stop.. if you're "hurt" by his actions, then the last thing you should do is "hurt" him back

So again, how is the NUB doing its job?

The NUB's job is to provide an incentive for new players, to let them believe they can get onto a par with players who have been here for years. I think it still does this.

The fact that it creates a disincentive for original/ex NUBs to stay is an unfortunate effect but does not alter the fact that it still fulfills its main purpose.

I agree with you RD, wholeheartedly on your point it does fulfill it's original purpose to perfection. I will say this though the unfortunate side effect after it is done is the real problem. From what I have seen it is addictive and my personal experience is only the NCB, I can only imagine the NUBs Draw. As has been pointed out this will only worsen in time, something needs to be done to alleviate the situation. There are a lot of ideas floating around, even if one single one is not the answer maybe a combination thereof will be.

Can we perhaps stop being off topic.