Referring just got better.. (in Changelog)


AdminNightStrike January 18 2010 1:59 PM EST

If they...
Sign up: you get $50,000
Finish tutorial: you get an additional $150,000
Challenge 300 battles: you get an additional $200,000
Become a Supporter: you get an additional $4,500,000

In other words, all the bonuses were multiplied by 10. This is the second time that the rewards have received a boost.

And yes, notice the new link. Please use it.

.. January 18 2010 2:00 PM EST

sweet, awesome change!

QBRanger January 18 2010 2:06 PM EST

I think 9M for a supporter is too much.

That will possibly promote multis, that is get a "friend" to sign up so you can get 10M CB to your main account.

Then the new "supporter" never plays again.

TheHatchetman January 18 2010 2:07 PM EST

uhh... might have to tone down the supporter prize :P 9m would cause some issues (Refer someone and buy their supportership to get CB for $1.22 /mil)

Joel January 18 2010 2:11 PM EST

Holy Millionairs, Nightstrike! I'm going to work on recruiting some more!
Oh, if one of the people you recruited before, who hasn't become a supporter yet, becomes a supporter now, do you get 9 million?

TheHatchetman January 18 2010 2:12 PM EST

that's 10m per referral btw provided they complete all steps. A bit much :P I'd personally go along the lines of something more like:

Sign up: you get $50,000
Finish tutorial: you get an additional $100,000
Challenge 300 battles: you get an additional $500,000
Become a Supporter: you get an additional $1,500,000

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 January 18 2010 2:12 PM EST

If it occurs within 3 months of signup.

TheHatchetman January 18 2010 2:13 PM EST

Oh, if one of the people you recruited before, who hasn't become a supporter yet, becomes a supporter now, do you get 9 million?


Now? no. At 4am, yes.

QBRanger January 18 2010 2:14 PM EST

If they...
Sign up: you get $5,000
Finish tutorial: you get an additional $20,000
Challenge 300 battles: you get an additional $75,000
Become a Supporter: you get an additional $900,000
(#2, #3, and #4 must come within 2 months of #1.)

Per the refer link we now have.

They need to be a supporter within 2 months of signing up.

DoS [Demon Forging] January 18 2010 2:15 PM EST

I like it, but I also agree that this is too much. If the 20% for fight money was taken away to prevent too much money being in circulation, will this be any better?

TheHatchetman January 18 2010 2:17 PM EST

On the bright side, it would all but eliminate NUB sellouts :P Anyone wanna spend 6 months aiming for 50 bucks? :P

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] January 18 2010 2:17 PM EST

i think the money issue is worth the risk. who cares why people come or why others refer, a certain percentage will stay which is better than steady attrition in my mind!

Zenai January 18 2010 2:25 PM EST

Nice!

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] January 18 2010 2:25 PM EST

wow dangerous change.

AdminNightStrike January 18 2010 2:46 PM EST

I'll accept the risk. When we get 5794857897598 new supporters, we'll re-evaluate it.

TheHatchetman January 18 2010 2:53 PM EST

Well looks like we all just found a way to make a real run at a NCB!

AdminTitan January 18 2010 2:53 PM EST

I love this game, but I have no problem in saying that anyone whoever complains about USD in the future, I'm just going to show them this thread.

QBRanger January 18 2010 3:01 PM EST

NS,

You should also change the amounts on the link *Refer A Friend*.

It still has the old amounts.

TheHatchetman January 18 2010 3:02 PM EST

I think it changes at cache flush

three4thsforsaken January 18 2010 3:23 PM EST

awesome change!

AdminNightStrike January 18 2010 3:24 PM EST

Yes, see note about cache flush. That page is dynamically generated.

three4thsforsaken January 18 2010 3:32 PM EST

I think the value is about right. The reward received for finding players that actually invests money in the game should be far more than 300 battles. Plus, CB could really use a jump start of new players, we can always lower the amount later.

AdminNightStrike January 18 2010 3:55 PM EST

Actually, I thought I changed the battle count, but it looks like it didn't work :(

iBananco [Blue Army] January 18 2010 3:55 PM EST

The first three values are fine, but the supportership reward should be tweaked a bit, IMO.

Underage Drinking [Battle Royale] January 18 2010 4:10 PM EST

id say drop the last one down to 4mil to make a total of 5mil if they become a supporter, and supporter ship now only cost 5mil cbd roughly.

..unless this is an attempt to further dilute the usd/cbd ratio

Lord Bob January 18 2010 4:49 PM EST

I love this game, but I have no problem in saying that anyone whoever complains about USD in the future, I'm just going to show them this thread.

Excellent.

Last Gasp January 18 2010 5:01 PM EST

Ahhhhh the POWER! :-) Love this. Now lets see if we can actually get people over here.

Kompton Kidd January 18 2010 5:02 PM EST

You should probably also update the referral page with these new numbers.

QBRanger January 18 2010 5:06 PM EST

Will update after cache flush.

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] January 18 2010 5:16 PM EST

rofl,

"Over $7,765,000 CB earned in referral bonuses!"

The new change seems a bit much as just getting 1 new member in here who buys supportership will already more than double this number.

AdminNightStrike January 18 2010 5:17 PM EST

If it works out to be a bit much in practice, then I'll lower it. But remember, we have only adjusted these numbers 1 other time in 5 years, and they were probably the CB1 numbers before that.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] January 18 2010 5:18 PM EST

Awesome, well done NS.

three4thsforsaken January 18 2010 5:19 PM EST

overshooting is better than undershooting, because at the end of the day a growing community is what CB really needs.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] January 18 2010 7:55 PM EST

This doesn't have to do with the amount of referrals, but is there are reason why the amount for referrals is kept track by character though it says the player? That is in the amount of money it says you have received if the character that it was sent to gets transferred it says that the new player with that character received the referral rewards.

AdminNightStrike January 18 2010 8:10 PM EST

Well, that has a lot to do with how CB tracks money. Money gets stored on parties, not users... so it poses a bit of an issue to easily track it otherwise. I can possibly work on that, though.

{WW]Nayab [Cult of the Valaraukar] January 18 2010 8:43 PM EST

Looks fine at the moment but i agree, the supporter money is a tad too much. Drop it i reckon but you might as well wait and see.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] January 18 2010 9:54 PM EST

It would be awesome if the 6 refs I picked up today somehow got paid out at the new higher rate *wink wink*.

And just to clarify, should someone who joined today get supportership tomorrow would I get paid at the new higher rate?

AdminNightStrike January 18 2010 9:56 PM EST

No idea.. I would assume that compensation is calculated when the event occurs, not when the referral takes place. So you should be fine.

QBRanger January 18 2010 9:56 PM EST

Novice,

As I read the changelog, the increased rates were effective immediately.

The change in the hard copy on the referral page is just delayed till cache flush as it was not so important as to reset the server.

So enjoy your bonus and I hope you get a couple to stay!

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] January 18 2010 9:58 PM EST

nope I got paid out at the old rates...

AdminNightStrike January 18 2010 10:00 PM EST

It's all delayed until cache flush.

TheHatchetman January 18 2010 10:03 PM EST

One suggestion nothing to do with the link but where it leads... ALl of these numbers should have a "0" added to the end. It's not really worth it to get a referral or two just for that piddly amount of CBD. - Last Gasp 1:31 PM EST

LG - done. This will take effect after cache flush (I've stopped restarting the server after every tiny change.. I'm sure a lot of people like that :) -AdminNightStrike 1:49 PM EST



From the 'Refer a friend' thread

Pwned January 18 2010 10:50 PM EST

I like this idea a lot. Instead of people relying on NUB sellouts for cash, now you can find new players to join CB and have a reason to make them stay and support CB by becoming supporters. This helps the game on so many levels. Less NUB sellouts, more player base, and more people buying supporter-ship = money for the game.

GREAT change + 9

Pwned January 18 2010 10:53 PM EST

Well maybe more sellouts but less inclined to buy from them.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] January 18 2010 11:35 PM EST

Just one good link would have earned me a mil under the new system...

I can't wait to see how people use this to build NW (and our ranks).

http://www.carnageblender.com/directory/transfers.tcl?uid=2184&uwhat=%25bonus+%2d+%25&interval=1+year

AdminTitan January 19 2010 11:12 AM EST

I think we should raise the amount that people receive when they are referred. Maybe to 100k. Then people would be more willing to click the referral link.

AdminNightStrike January 19 2010 1:04 PM EST

It already went from $100 to $10,000.

Vaynard [Fees Dirt Cheap] January 19 2010 2:15 PM EST

I like it. Even with the risks people have mentioned the chance to promote CB and gain new users is much more valuable. I think one of the biggest dangers for CB is a slow decline into nothingness.

AdminNightStrike January 21 2010 7:38 PM EST

Bonuses lowered, see new first post.

I was hoping it could last a little longer at the higher rate, but alas, such is life.

QBRanger January 21 2010 8:17 PM EST

Well I think the people who have made well over 100M from this activity have a nice huge advantage.

I would be interested to see if any of the people supporterships have been bought for actually stay longer than 1 week.

IMO,

This was just garbage. As much as I liked the idea, from the beginning it was too much money entering the system for people who are computer literate. Those of us too stupid to post links got hosed, royally.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] January 21 2010 8:19 PM EST

I donate $154 to the game, plus $20 for the ad I posted, brought in hundreds of people to the site and you're complaining...

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] January 21 2010 8:24 PM EST

No problem. At first I was like, "Text-based PVP? WT(H)???", but it immediately sucked me in. After about an hour of furious clicking and fighting I went form Beer Guru (1) to Beer Guru (456) :)

This will get me through many long, boring days in the coming months...

edit: I must have bought some powerful gear, my (680) guy had to battle a (1,253) guy in order to get rid of the negative challenge bonus...

Much to learn...

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] January 21 2010 8:25 PM EST

sorry I should have put that in quote mode... that came from the comments on my ad...

AdminNightStrike January 21 2010 8:36 PM EST

Thanks, novice :)

TheHatchetman January 21 2010 8:48 PM EST

Apparently I was an abusive cheat as well.

$54,855,000 from referrals
-42m paid for the supporterships
= 12,855,000 sent to TP.
Consider the almost 550k paid out in transfers my fine for being a scamming, no-good, referral-rapist.



There. I've made nothing from this. Sorry I did exactly what I among many others warned you would be done. Especially sorry for doing so after you stated it was worth the risk.

QBRanger January 21 2010 9:01 PM EST

I would be interested to see if any of the people supporterships have been bought for actually stay longer than 1 week.


If people stay for a NUB I will be shocked. I suspected we would have a lot of cheap money entering the game quickly and I was right. I just hope we get a few players from it.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] January 21 2010 9:22 PM EST

i don't see it as much different than an infusion of usd by people using it to augment their character. it wasn't earned in the game through game means. i think we all know how i feel on that though.

actually, this might be fairer as everyone had the ability to do it whereas not everyone has enough of an entertainment budget to throw into virtual items.

three4thsforsaken January 21 2010 9:30 PM EST

not many new player threads though D:

QBRanger January 21 2010 9:36 PM EST

37 new users in the past 24 hours

Far better than the <10 we were getting some days.

However, are these real potential long term players or people that come and go.

I really would like to see how the stats are on these new players.

If this really does increase our real player base, then I am all for keeping it at 9M per.

I am just too much of a pessimist to think we will get any real players.

Kompton Kidd January 21 2010 9:46 PM EST

I got to start advertising, hot damn.

TheHatchetman January 21 2010 9:50 PM EST

Before registering, I'm sure it is painfully obvious that this is a game. I would draw the conclusion that anyone willing to register is at least somewhat interested in looking at a game they haven't played before. (Nobody is going to carnageblender.com for gardening tips) I really don't see how having hundreds of players coming across multiple spam links of peoples' referrals on a daily basis would stand any more or less a chance (person per person) of sticking than 10 that happen to find it by chance.

Will this increase our userbase? According to my above theory, yes. Ever-so-slightly.

Will people be rewarded for referring people that sign up to find they don't like the game? Certainly!

Was anybody holding out some decent potential referrals just waiting for them to become more valuable? Or will they avoid referring people in the future without a nice big reward for doing so? I doubt it...

{Wookie}-Jir.Vr- January 21 2010 9:57 PM EST

It's not that big of a deal, 9m is about the cost for a supportership anyways. My initial thoughts were that this was going to be abused, but in all reality, with the CBD:USD ratio hovering around 1:1m, there isn't much room for abuse. If anything this will lower the prices of CBD even further (more supply less demand), which would in part make it even less advantageous to try and "take advantage"

The optimist in me at least wants this to work.

AdminTitan January 21 2010 10:51 PM EST

Wait, this system was being abused? No way.

AdminTitan January 21 2010 10:52 PM EST

Glad nov made off with 120M for about $150 though. (Not poking at you nov, rather the system.)

Kompton Kidd January 21 2010 10:53 PM EST

There should be some screenshots on the front page about what the game is about.

AdminNightStrike January 21 2010 11:43 PM EST

it wasn't earned in the game through game means.


All referral money comes from within the game. It's gleaned from fees and other sinks. No additional money is created for this.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] January 21 2010 11:54 PM EST

so this is even less of an outside influence than usd! ; )

QBRanger January 22 2010 12:15 AM EST

so this is even less of an outside influence than usd! ; )

Actually the opposite is true.

This was money that was lost to the system, no matter how it was generated. I would have never been put back into it.

Now with a cheap USD/CB ratio, it was put back into circulation.

I would say the USD influence on this money is quite large.

AdminNightStrike January 22 2010 12:46 AM EST

No, it's money that sits on a character dedicated to funding referral fees.

AdminTitan January 22 2010 12:49 AM EST

That's still not money in the system... it shows up, but it's not really in the system. Now you increased the money supply, simple economics. You have caused inflation. Have you not decreased it back down, CBD would have been worthless, everyone would have had 200-300M weapons, and it'd be easy to run an NCB.

AdminTitan January 22 2010 12:49 AM EST

Had you not*

Lochnivar January 22 2010 12:53 AM EST

Glad nov made off with 120M for about $150 though. (Not poking at you nov, rather the system.)


Actually Nov spent about $150 to promote this game with absolutely no guarantee of receiving any compensation. He should be commended for showing the confidence in CB to take this risk.

AdminTitan January 22 2010 12:53 AM EST

5.5M per referral that buys a supporter ship is still staggering. You're basically ensuring that the CBD rate never goes above 2, probably closer to 1.5. Also, as much as I love playing games like MyBrute, where referrals are 90% of the game, I don't think it's good for CB. Referrals should not be worth over 1 month of non NUB fighting.

AdminTitan January 22 2010 12:54 AM EST

"Actually Nov spent about $150 to promote this game with absolutely no guarantee of receiving any compensation. He should be commended for showing the confidence in CB to take this risk."

Are you joking or blind?

Lochnivar January 22 2010 1:00 AM EST

neither.... the fact it has work and payed off handsomely is actually completely irrelevant.

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 January 22 2010 1:04 AM EST

NS has no reason to care what the USD rate is.

CB needs the new players. The referral system was in place for years, and the only player who ever used it to any extent hasn't played since 2005. If inflation is what it takes to get new players in, then so be it. What are we asking for, the referral bonus to be set equal to the CBD/USD ratio? Why would anyone use it (takes way more effort) over just buying CBD if that was the case. The ratio is either going to be hurt, or the referral system will remain unused.

AdminTitan January 22 2010 1:08 AM EST

Prove to me this is working... Try it. (Also if you want to try and sell the idea that it's worth it to destroy the game to get new players, I think the constituency will disagree with you)

AdminTitan January 22 2010 1:09 AM EST

Loch, nov hasn't actually accomplished anything. Those supporters of his aren't playing. Glad we're growing the player base. NS, since you can look this up easily I'd assume. Tell me in a week if any of the people that got supportership the first 3 days or whatever are still playing.

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 January 22 2010 1:10 AM EST

38 new users in the past 24 hours.

Prior to this change, we had 3 new users in the past 24 hours.

AdminTitan January 22 2010 1:11 AM EST

Retainment?

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 January 22 2010 1:12 AM EST

Retainment can only come when we get new people in. The game cannot grow without exposure to new users. To put it bluntly, CB cannot survive as a game with 3 new users per day.

AdminTitan January 22 2010 1:13 AM EST

Didn't think so, alright back to my point. Yes CB needs more players, is this the way to do it...helllll no. An increase in referral bonus was needed, 1000% increase, probably not. Work on tutorial needs to be done, put players immediately into chat. I'm sure with even half a think tank we could come up with ideas that would produce equal, but likely, better results without ruining the game.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] January 22 2010 2:57 AM EST

Wow, hypocracy is alive and well in CB .

At this point I'm wondering if our thrice bought in church lady approves of any form of obtaining CB he is not currently in the process of using. Apparently bringing folks to our front page and donating money is robbery. I've made off with enough CB to single handedly invent digital super inflation! I guess NightStrike helped a little...


You two ubermen who would both lynch a commie if you had the rope sure get socialist fast when the shoe is on the other foot. I dared apply myself to an opportunity that presented itself, in the process bringing traffic to the site. In return I get called a thief and an exploiter.

Pwned January 22 2010 3:08 AM EST

Retainment can only come when we get new people in. The game cannot > grow without exposure to new users. To put it bluntly, CB cannot > survive as a game with 3 new users per day.


Agreed

Now theres more incentive to spend time typing catchy paragraphs about CB to get referrals and exposure. I'll admit I've been going forum to forum getting CB exposure because of this new system.

People paying John instead of paying some random NUBs.
What is wrong with this?

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] January 22 2010 4:04 AM EST

http://www.carnageblender.com/directory/transfers.tcl?uid=2184&uwhat=%25bonus+-+%25&interval=1+year

27 referral sign ups
12 finished the tutorial
2 hit 300 battles so far

zenchristo - http://www.carnageblender.com/inspect_opponent.tcl?opponent_id=136746&opponent_name=Matiny

That's after about 150+ clicks through to the front page

I'd like to see some work on the front page, a tutorial overhaul, and then I'll consider doing more advertising.

Zenai January 22 2010 7:03 AM EST

You know what this really gets on my nerves! Nov hit something good, took advantage of it and helped the game by throwing his personal money at it. Seriously what is the problem!

I have processed 11 or 12 Supporterships for other people myself and benefited from cash, and am dammed glad I did it too!

Most of the time I buy my CBD from other players, the game doesn't benefit from it at all other than when I sink it into my items or do Item Namings. Now processing a Supportership in this fashion though gives me cash AND Supports the game that is Freaking Awesome!

I said it before I'll say it again for those who seem unable able to hear: Words/Hot Air do NOT pay CBs bills, USD do and Nov, myself and a few others have given a fair share and are quite happy with the boon of CBD in return. In our books it is a WIN WIN as we get an EASY EXCUSE to put our hard earned cash into the game.

Just to set it straight if even 1 person I have processed a Supportership stays then ALL of the USD I spent was well worth it in min mind!


So by all means stay on your virtual high horse in the game just remember it was us nasty and terrible exploiting USD spenders that have paid for that virtual horse and the virtual ground it is standing on..............

/rant over

QBRanger January 22 2010 9:02 AM EST

I personally am happy you and novice got to get your CB at 1.1 to 1 ratio.

But why did you not try to get more players before the boost in referral fee?

QBRanger January 22 2010 9:02 AM EST

It is also nice to see a new x40000 elb in the game.

Thanks to real cheap CB that flooded the system.

Novice really needs 150M CB with his almost 1B NW. That is game over.

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 January 22 2010 9:08 AM EST

The reason why nobody used referrals earlier is simple, and I said it earlier.

If the cash bonus from referrals is better than the USD/CBD rate, people will use it. This will hurt the rate, obviously.

If the bonus is not high enough, there is zero incentive to put in effort when people could simply buy CBD.

I'm sure everyone who donated does enjoy helping CB, but in the end, it is about the cash.

QBRanger January 22 2010 9:13 AM EST

I'm sure everyone who donated does enjoy helping CB, but in the end, it is about the cash.

Exactly my point. And extremely cheap CB entered the system by people who were computer savvy.
I'll accept the risk. When we get 5794857897598 new supporters, we'll re-evaluate it.

I guess we hit that many new supporters :)

AdminTitan January 22 2010 9:22 AM EST

I have no problem with what you did nov, I said I was going to do exactly the same. But, it was a smart economic decision, nothing else.

AdminTitan January 22 2010 9:23 AM EST

Slayer, you should go play Mybrute, it really likes referrals.

AdminTitan January 22 2010 9:26 AM EST

Oh and btw, just in case you haven't checked up for awhile, Zenchristo hasn't logged on since the second day he was here.

Demigod January 22 2010 9:28 AM EST

It is also nice to see a new x40000 elb in the game.


Keep in mind that you're referring to Zen, who uses his tax returns on CB and bought Charity's CBD.

QBsutekh137 January 22 2010 9:32 AM EST

I personally am happy you and novice got to get your CB at 1.1 to 1 ratio.

But why did you not try to get more players before the boost in referral fee?


I'd like to see a response to this, too, but will point out that both nov and Zen have done a lot for the community. I see Zen posting on just about every New Player "hi" thread with a nice, stock response that provides useful information. And nov, well, to not know what nov has done to help the community, you'd have to be not in the community.

That being said, Ranger's question still stands. If this is all for altruistic reasons, why not a big ad before? And the USD ratio on the cash able to be obtained cannot be ignored. Any solution has to fit in with reasonable CB-economic standards, otherwise things are getting out of whack in other ways.

Keep the lines of thought clean here. Yes, new users are good. Yes, a lot of people do a lot of good things to get more users. And yes, things like the front page and tutorial need more work so that feet in the door become butts in the seats. At the same time, any program resulting in a 1.1 USD/CB ratio, now matter where it came from or why, is not a good thing for the game. It is also not cheating, though. It is and was legal, and it was used. So let's not start throwing around snarky words like "exploit".

And in closing, yes, I agree with Ranger that super-huge items floating around is also bad for the game. That ELB is never going to go away now. It will only get bigger. And someone will be shooting arrows from it. Then people will say the ELB is too strong. Then the ELB's foils will get buffed. Then the foils to those foils will get buffed. Then the foils to those foils to those foils will get buffed. Then...you get my point. These are the things that start non-harmonic oscillations in the game (that's not good).

And nov, *hypocrisy

AdminTitan January 22 2010 9:37 AM EST

"And in closing, yes, I agree with Ranger that super-huge items floating around is also bad for the game. That ELB is never going to go away now. It will only get bigger. And someone will be shooting arrows from it. Then people will say the ELB is too strong. Then the ELB's foils will get buffed. Then the foils to those foils will get buffed. Then the foils to those foils to those foils will get buffed. Then...you get my point. These are the things that start non-harmonic oscillations in the game (that's not good)."

Kindof all I was trying to say. Super inflation is not good for the game. Basing a game off referrals is not good for the game. I have no problem with what nov did. I have a problem with what NS did. (Sorry NS)

Zenai January 22 2010 9:39 AM EST

It is also nice to see a new x40000 elb in the game.

Thanks to real cheap CB that flooded the system.

Please do continue Ranger but before you do go look at the referal page. As far as the CBD I would have bought it anyway so stuff it.
Novice really needs 150M CB with his almost 1B NW. That is game over.


And if he does does dominate so what. It's not like you haven't done the same Mr. Fellow USD Spender.

AdminShade January 22 2010 9:40 AM EST

Then people will say the ELB is too strong.

People will say that, but we all know that it's not _the_ ELB but _that_ ELB. Which makes the ELB foils not get buffed.

QBsutekh137 January 22 2010 9:55 AM EST

Titan, yes, you had pretty much said most of what I said, sorry I didn't expand all posts before I started babbling... *smile*

Zen (and same to Ranger if he decides to join in the bicker-fest), can we get back to basics and keep issues separate here? Cheap CB cash is bad, and it makes huge items, which keep getting bigger, and then potentially cause other imbalances in the game. It is my personal opinion that every non-harmonic explosion in CB balance has started with an item issue, whether that be an aberrantly-sized one (huge Lochs in CB1 and now huge ELBs here), a completely broken one (CoBFs here at the start of CB2), or ones with an ability curve somewhat out of whack with other game facets (exbow before being tweaked, some would say still even now). Sure, MPR-based abilities can be out of whack, too, and you know what happens? They get tweaked, and are forever then in balance. Not so for items. They keep growing and growing and will never go away. Same with tattoos, actually.

So, this item/cash thing is a big deal, at least in my opinion, and anything that contributes to cheap CBD is going to cause problems.

Let's face it: Even if CB gets 500 new, regular users next week, do you actually think the price of CBD is going to go _up_? For those 500 people, half will likely sell out once the NUB is done. That proportion of money influx will remain the same, regardless of how many people you get in here. Why do you think Ranger (and many others) have wanted to remedy that situation first (cash restrictions, warnings, rolling bonus, etc.)?

Next, even with more potential users, the Internet game arena is getting more and more saturated. There are new games every second without the overall internet audience (at least not those who care about games) growing. That's anecdotal, and I don't have any solid proof of that, but from my own viewpoint, every ad that used to be for tiny cameras from X10 is now an ad for a game. Facebook is all stupid games. The iPhone is pushing games. Three console makers are all doing fairly well, even though conventional knowledge was that in a three-vendor competition one would eventually die off (that hasn't been the case for eight+ years now, though some of that is due to Sony and MS's very deep pockets).

ANYWAY, if you think CB is going to magically bring in a ton of new players, with a high proportion not in it for the NUB pay-day, can you elaborate for me as to why you think that is so, and how it is going to happen? And any comments based on, "Because CB is great!" and "CB has a great community!" can be left at the door. I know CB is fun. I enjoyed playing it for quite a while, in fact. But that doesn't automatically lead to success.

That's why any new-player idea has to also keep the CB ecosystem intact. Otherwise you're just going to be throwing more people at a flawed system, and I don't see how that is going to help?

QBRanger January 22 2010 10:48 AM EST

I could not have stated things better Sut.

I have no problem with Z or novice using the system given to make money.

I have a problem with the system itself. I tried to convince NS that 9M per was too much and I guess after 454545646 people came it was changed.

But that horse has just left the barn and over 250M extra CB2 is floating in the system. Concentrated in a couple people.

It is great to have new players, of which I doubt many if any will stay beyond the first week. But if the price is wrecking the economy and therefore the balance of the game, is it worth it?

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] January 22 2010 12:10 PM EST

I've bought supportships for people with no other reward than a thanks. I've advertised CB both with and without my ref link. I've worked with NS on finding ways to generate more traffic for our forms.

Titan: the words you chose bothered me. For me to have "made off" with something that implies I took advantage. Everyone (yes including you Ranger you poor Luddite) had the same opportunity.

QBRanger January 22 2010 12:12 PM EST

A few stats:

On the people novice made supporter on the 20th, there were 8, 0 have fought any battles in the last 24 hours.

Of the people made supporter on the 21st, there were 6, 0 have fought battles on the 22nd.

While I do like the increased rewards for referring people, the 9M time we had has done nothing more than flood the game with cheap CB.

Perhaps a better system would be to give a person 25M if a person they refer stays for 6 months. Or something more time sensitive.

I am not stating the money given to NS and Jon for these supporterships is bad, but then why not just be able to buy CB from the game instead?

QBRanger January 22 2010 12:15 PM EST

Novice,

The term Luddite was a poor choice and in no way applies to this situation.

I am not against computers or people who know how to use them, if that is your expansion of that term.

However, my inexperience with computers put me at a huge disadvantage.

AdminNightStrike January 22 2010 1:38 PM EST

I for one am not sorry at all for what novice did. People are conveniently ignoring the big giant pile of cash that he's BEEN spending already on advertising, with zero benefit at all. This change just happened to line up with an advertising outlet that was actually quite successful (reddit).

To that end, numerous other people tried to jump on the bandwagon, and failed mainly due to the locations they placed their links. I've been able to gather a lot of good data from this experiment, and have a much better feel for how to effectively advertise CB. So before you all go cry wolf, please realize that there's more to keeping a game alive and well than just having a picture perfect economy.

QBRanger January 22 2010 1:43 PM EST

Question then NS;

If you have no regrets about what Novice and others did, why did you 1/2 the bonus for becoming a Supporter?

AdminNightStrike January 22 2010 1:51 PM EST

I made it no secret that the bonus would fall after a certain point. We passed that point.

AdminTitan January 22 2010 2:03 PM EST

^ 0 new retained players was the point? Or was this your secret way of compensating nov for his other actions. Because if you just came out and said that I would have had no objections.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] January 22 2010 2:05 PM EST

People don't become addicts over night, the number of regular players from this experiment has yet to be seen.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] January 22 2010 2:06 PM EST

speaking of that...

Your referral HopStar has challenged 300 battles. Bonus of $200,000 sent to you. Thanks!

Congrats HopStar!

QBRanger January 22 2010 2:09 PM EST

Or was this your secret way of compensating nov for his other actions.

Even I think that is too low a blow to respond to anymore.

This was just, IMO, an ill-advised way of trying to get referrals.

However I did see NS state that after 5794857897598 new supporters we would reevaluate it.

It seems to me that we reevaluated it after what, 3 days?

So far nobody who was given supportership has stayed.

While I agree completely with the idea of boosting the bonuses, I stand by my first post that 9M was too much and subject to quite a few things not good for the overall economy.
Your referral HopStar has challenged 300 battles. Bonus of $200,000 sent to you. Thanks!


Excellent, now will s/he stay for 3 days? Nobody yet has that was recently referred by you.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] January 22 2010 2:37 PM EST

why are we expecting any recent recruits to have any better retention rate than for the last 2 years?

QBRanger January 22 2010 3:04 PM EST

why are we expecting any recent recruits to have any better retention rate than for the last 2 years?

I do not think anyone is expecting that.

I am just upset at the new USD/CB ratio that was given. With a caveat-you have to be computer literate to apply for it.

AdminNightStrike January 22 2010 3:39 PM EST

Why are you still complaining? The rates have been lowered.

QBRanger January 22 2010 3:50 PM EST

You're right. I guess some is just frustration from knowing exactly what would occur and watching it unfold the exact same way.

Guess it is just sour apples from me and my inability to successfully get in on this one in a lifetime 1.1:1 CBD/USD deal.

To those that played under the old rules-great job!!!

Novice wins!

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] January 22 2010 4:20 PM EST

Counting expenses it was close to 1.5/1. Still a great deal if you don't count the time I spent testing and setting up the ad.

Nothing I did was technically detailed in the slightest. You could have easily asked 15 people you know to sign up and done the same.

AdminTitan January 22 2010 4:24 PM EST

With one more day I would have. Why I am still complaining? You should have listened day one.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] January 22 2010 4:28 PM EST

Two of the most politically conservative members of our community demanding socially equitable distribution of wealth. It's almost worth listening to the whining for the ironic hilarity.

QBRanger January 22 2010 4:29 PM EST

Given the fact I have little if any experience in that area, I would have gladly given NS money to advertise at a 1.5 to 1 ratio.

But nothing you did was wrong in the least. Many people predicted this would happen.

I have no ill-will towards ya nov. Just the system frustrates me.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] January 22 2010 4:31 PM EST

How difficult is it to find a site where people discuss role playing games (.5 seconds on google)?

Add in the ability to post ads on said site (10 minutes conservatively)

Filling out the form and entering a CC# (5 minutes)


Where is the technical expertise? Where is the difficulty?

QBRanger January 22 2010 4:33 PM EST

Just like me telling you to look up something about medicine on the net.

One can do it, but it is hard to comprehend the process.

AdminTitan January 22 2010 4:46 PM EST

I don't want that nov, I just want NS do listen when I say "red light."

AdminTitan January 22 2010 4:47 PM EST

I still think the rewards are unusually high, and I will explain if need be.

QBRanger January 22 2010 4:54 PM EST

I don't want that nov, I just want NS do listen when I say "red light."

Well it is NS's game after all and his choice.

At least he did lower the money by 1/2.

And in his own words, the information he obtained, even in this short period, is very helpful. Which can only be a great things.

For all the other pluses he has done lately, I give him this :)

I agree the money is a bit high for all levels but I think NS can titrate as needed.

AdminTitan January 22 2010 4:59 PM EST

I know, I'm over it I'm not mad. I'm actually happy with NS for actually showing that he really does want this game to grow. This just seems a bad approach. We need to work on retainment first. We can get 50 referrals a day, but it doesn't affect anything if they all leave. As much as I like the NCB layout ( I really do). The NUB might need a look at a solution that doesn't promote sell outs. Also, fix up the tutorial. Put them into chat immediately. These and a few others are the ideas we need to be carrying out.

AdminNightStrike January 22 2010 5:28 PM EST

Why I am still complaining? You should have listened day one.


Sounds like someone needs a forum time-out......

Zenai January 22 2010 6:19 PM EST

Just to set the record straight Ranger I do not have that kind of expertise either. I still managed to get in on the deal so to speak. I was in the right place at the right time and I happened to have money that is all. I bought supporterships for other players referrals and got the lionshare for doing it, 7 mil a piece to be exact.

To answer a question asked earlier by Sut and echoed by you. Why do I not have referrals if I like and support this game so much. Hmmm straight up almost no one I know likes Text Based Games. They will play Console Games, Computer Games with Graphics, Card Games, Board Games, even Table Top RPG Games but a Text Based one makes them ALL cringe. I get an immediate NO every time I bring CB up so I have stopped trying with them.

I found this game purely by accident when I found out that my RPG was getting shutdown and was looking for something similar. At first I was like what does it matter I am bored and this will do for now while I look for other stuff. Then I grew into the game and became addicted. Since then I have left and come back and am still just as addicted as before and an avid supporter of CB.

I support CB the best way I know how, I buy Supporterships, Item Namings, Make Beneficial Deals(mostly for the other parties), send cash to other players when in need or just to be nice, give items away to NPs when I have them, sometimes I pay some or all of other players debts or buy them the items they are looking for, post in New Players with links/advice and give the best strategic advice I can when asked in chat. I apologize I lack in one area it is just not my forte and I never claimed it to be a strong suite anyway.

QBRanger January 22 2010 6:25 PM EST

Z,

I have bought supporterships, item naming, and even donated money to Jon and NS for little reason other than to keep the game going.

However, does it not seem a bit skewed that some people, buy just luck of the draw, got people into the game and then bought them supporterships just to get a great deal on CB.

It would be different if a few stayed, but right now, not 1 has.

Demigod January 22 2010 6:29 PM EST

It's been changed to a more reasonable amount for a while... this qualifies as beating a dead horse.

Pwned January 22 2010 6:31 PM EST

Ahem..... its been like 5 days since it started..... check out Bory. I referred him/her, been coming back so NS's plan worked. He doesn't even have a supporter status yet. If you really want to show how much you care about the game......support him!

Zenai January 22 2010 6:32 PM EST

Ranger,

SO FREAKING WHAT!!!!!!

All of us in the Upper Echelons that use USD have done just that so what is your point?!?


Gah! Sometimes I swear!!! UGH!!!!!!


Get off your high horse man and see at least the positive side of it, CB was Supported. It got well over $200 in one night that is AWESOME!
If players stay great if not well that is a waste but still CB WAS FREAKING SUPPORTED.

Zenai January 22 2010 6:35 PM EST

IntoExile wish granted :-)


From: system (6:34 PM EST)
Supportership for Bory processed. Thanks!

Pwned January 22 2010 6:36 PM EST

Wow someone bought him supportership within a couple of minutes of my post.

Pwned January 22 2010 6:38 PM EST

Lol Thanks Z I was gonna buy him supportership myself too but my bank screwed me again, so I have several overdraft fees.....I was gonna go crazy like Novice.

QBRanger January 22 2010 6:47 PM EST

Z,

If it was no big deal, then why did NS cut the bonus for supporterships in 1/2?

kevlar January 22 2010 6:52 PM EST

Z, I have to say I don't think that is the kind of support the game needs. If anything get Jon to get a new supporter item going and make more than $200. Doesn't having this kind of reward setup also put a big hindrance on the flux of the CB/USD rate? I mean, CB ever becomes more valuable, theoretically it would be harder to be worth more than the Supporter reward rate?

kevlar January 22 2010 6:53 PM EST

^*If CB becomes more valuable

Zenai January 22 2010 7:02 PM EST

Kev,

I never said it was the best thing since sliced bread and had no negative side to it. What I did say is that looking at the positive side to what happened that at least CB was supported and to let it rest since it is now changed. To add to this there is always a better way to do things but like NS said we are not seeing the picture that he does and therefore we need to trust in his decisions as a Dev of this game.

Ranger,

You like to ask the same question over and over don't you?:

QBRanger 1:43 PM EST

Question then NS;

If you have no regrets about what Novice and others did, why did you 1/2 the bonus for becoming a Supporter?

AdminNightStrike 1:51 PM EST

I made it no secret that the bonus would fall after a certain point. We passed that point.


Is it answered this time or do you want me to try and be a mindreader from afar and glean that specific info for you?

Time to let it go Ranger what is done is done.

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] January 22 2010 7:09 PM EST


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However, does it not seem a bit skewed that some people, buy just luck of the draw, got people into the game and then bought them supporterships just to get a great deal on CB.


Excepting the "buy", this is America! Those who can do, and those who can't whine about how someone else got to do something they didn't. I call for Jon-sponsored gamesupport payouts for the rest of us! It's not my fault I had other priorities and didn't learn how to do this and now I'm totally screwed out of the millions and millions I will have to buy at $2 per! Which puts me millions and millions ahead of the people who can't buy at $2 per, but that's fair because it's my life priorities and system of personal values that allow me to earn enough to buy what I want!

Alt. view: Who's regretting that pointless degree now? They didn't even teach you how to post internet ads! It's not luck when you have the mad skillz!
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