Suggestion for NCB - Xfer Fee (in General)


DoS February 20 2010 1:19 AM EST

So as many of you may or may not know, at the beginning of my NCB I transferred my character around a few times to people that had saved up 1600 BA. They then burnt the exp during exp time; we were able to get in about 4000 BA during exp time which equates to about 270k mpr. Oh and I don't think what I did was correct; I do believe I exploited a loophole so don't bother chastising me for it.

Sure this isn't a huge problem at this scale if I am only meant to get to 95% with buying BA and everything, but what happens when this happens 4 or 5 times at the start and then some throughout the NCB? That could mean for a character that reaches beyond the 95% and possibly far beyond.

I was just discussing this with another person and we came up with an idea to possibly make this harder or more expensive to do. Our idea was to multiply the character transfer fee by what the character NCB bonus is. For example, my NCB bonus is 445% and we will say that my transfer fee is 5mil (can't look right now) so you would then take 5mil and multiply by it 4.45 and end up with a final xfer fee of 22.25mil.

Sure it has its flaws, but at least we will not see (for example) a 8mil mpr character and the next is 7mil mpr. Actually, it is still possible except mad expensive.

Have at the criticism!

Wraithlin February 20 2010 1:25 AM EST

I like the idea of characters being nearly untransferrable during NCB/NUB periods.

I think it is fair and balanced.

Character transfers were created for people who wanted to forge to make cash then buy a larger character from someone who just battled. Not for a battler to get crazy MPR during EXP times.

AdminShade February 20 2010 5:17 AM EST

I think eventually the cost for transfer and buying BA will outweigh the gains.

Zenai February 20 2010 8:41 AM EST

How about just to circumvent the entire fiasco we make NCB/NUB Characters Nontransferable unless with Admin Approval/Assistance.

Unappreciated Misnomer February 20 2010 9:10 AM EST

i would see anything to gain from having players hassle an admin to do something like that, i like he high fees, and if we ever saw a nub doing this, would that player really be a newb to the game?

QBRanger February 20 2010 10:29 AM EST

I do like the idea of having NCB characters non-transferable.

However, there are situations when one is out of town and cannot play your NCB for a week or more when you want to transfer it.

This idea would put a large roadblock on trying to get someone else to play it so you do not lose that bonus growth.

Jon and NS have basically approved what Titan and DoS have done with the beginning of their NCB.

So while I dislike "gaming" the system, it is legal.

If anything is to be done like a system you suggested, I would perhaps have NCBs not transferable for the first month, then fully transferable after that.

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] February 20 2010 1:04 PM EST

However, there are situations when one is out of town and cannot play your NCB for a week or more when you want to transfer it.


Exactly, it's already going to cost me 9M total for the transfer when I go skiing. 45M would be a little crazy.

DoS February 20 2010 1:10 PM EST

I'm game for a system where N*Bs are non-transferable without admin assistance. My thoughts are more in the region of that if the N*B isn't going to change into other proposed ideas, such as the rolling bonus, then something needs to change to prevent an uber character from forming.

I would do the same thing as you Titan if I were to go away for a week :P

Sickone February 20 2010 2:13 PM EST

How about we make character transfers impossible, period ?

QBRanger February 20 2010 2:16 PM EST

Sickone,

I have always wanted that type of game. But given the current game, at least making NCB not transferable for the first month could prevent such overreaches to the system that we have currently seen.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] February 20 2010 2:29 PM EST

There is nothing wrong with char xfers in general, it's being able to get extra (cheaper) BA for an NCB through the use of char xfers.

Zenai February 20 2010 3:20 PM EST

Well nov maybe not being able to Xfer to a person who has more than the normal 160 BA Cap could be a solution.

DoS February 20 2010 3:28 PM EST

Well nov maybe not being able to Xfer to a person who has more than the normal 160 BA Cap could be a solution.


That would be a good alternative to increasing xfer fee, imo.

three4thsforsaken February 21 2010 12:32 AM EST

It's expensive. Exceeding top MPR with an NCB would cost a few extra hundred million. Doubtful it'll give anyone any fair advantage.

A few hundred thousand MPR is not a significant increase in MPR at the top. And it's effect is not as large as pouring that extra hundred million(s) into equipment.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] February 21 2010 12:48 AM EST

I think the problem is just that at low level mpr the cost to xfer a char is too little. If it were increased to 1 mil + 4/3 mpr this would make it cost significantly more but not stop it if you were determined enough. The extra 900k would not be all that much difference later on.

Wraithlin February 21 2010 3:29 AM EST

How about a 6 hour imposed no fight penalty after a transfer. So you don't hurt the people trying to legitimately transfer a character, but only one person can spend BA on a character during EXP times a day.

Soxjr February 21 2010 3:41 AM EST

I personally like the idea of when a person receives a char from someone else they can't have more than the 160 ba. That would stop all the discussion about this completely. The only reason people complain is because of the fact that a person can get 1600 ba at a cost of 100 per and then use it all up in exp time.

Pwned February 21 2010 3:59 AM EST

Yup that is a awesome ba/cost ratio plus you get the ncb bonus!

Salketer [big bucks] February 21 2010 5:19 AM EST

Wraith, I love your idea but I would tweak it a bit to make it something more user-friendly: You have to wait 6 hours after you got the character to transfer it again.
Sounds better than not allow to fight for the first 6 hours of possession IMO.

The idea for not being able to transfer to players with more than 160 BA is not so bad. You would need 10 times more people, 10 times more xfer fees so yeah it could do the trick very well.

DoS February 21 2010 12:29 PM EST

It's expensive. Exceeding top MPR with an NCB would cost a few extra hundred million. Doubtful it'll give anyone any fair advantage.

If I had started with 100mil, I could have taken the top. As it is now, I only had ~10mil at start of NCB and I am less than 3 months in and already 3.25mil mpr. With transferring NCBs the way it is now, taking the top with very little money but a great start is very realistic.

But hey, we will see where I end up in 3 months :)
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