Value of drops you received, after 3 weeks (in General)


QBRanger June 23 2009 11:04 AM EDT

Since drops have different values, I would ask everyone, include those who have gotten 0, to post the value of the drop they have.

If you are unsure of the value, please look at past auctions and estimate the value.

Please, try to keep conversation in other threads and let this be a way we can see statistically how people are doing and the spread of values.

I will start:

EG sold in auctions 535k
IF value 200k

Total value 735k

blackshadowshade June 23 2009 11:05 AM EDT

0

TheCakeIsTheTruth June 23 2009 11:07 AM EDT

Zero.

Rawr June 23 2009 11:07 AM EDT

A Helm of Ecthelion [6] (+7) avg past Auctions value: 350k

A Tattoo of Augmentation lvl 20 value: 500k

Total value: 850k.

DrAcO5676 [The Knighthood III] June 23 2009 11:07 AM EDT

0

.. June 23 2009 11:10 AM EDT

none

idiotz June 23 2009 11:11 AM EDT

AoJ: 2mil

Adamn Curiass: 231k

Total: 2.231mil

Gandalf June 23 2009 11:12 AM EDT

SB's + 9. I sold them for 2.3mil.

Also got base lesser FF, which i havent sold.

Wasp [Demon Forging] June 23 2009 11:15 AM EDT

Zilch

QBsutekh137 June 23 2009 11:16 AM EDT

Two enforcers xbows. Unsold.
One AoJ: Sold for 1.5 million
One pair of Elven Gloves: sold for 650K

Total profit = 2.15 million plus the exbows (I'm using one, will probably use the other, too, assuming they don't get fixed, because I might as well in that case...)

GnuUzir June 23 2009 11:17 AM EDT

$0

QBRanger June 23 2009 11:17 AM EDT

Please use past auctions, an average value of any unsold items to help me figure out the statistics.

Rawr June 23 2009 11:19 AM EDT

I think its fair to say exbow past auctions are 250-300k

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 June 23 2009 11:22 AM EDT

$0.00

Lord Bob June 23 2009 11:24 AM EDT

0.

Burton June 23 2009 11:24 AM EDT

ToA sold for 650k
ToA sold for 350
Halidon which I priced at 600k
In Total: 1.6M

Soxjr June 23 2009 11:27 AM EDT

EB = 1.5 mil
ELS = 175 k
Lesser Tattoo = nothing


total = 1.675 mil

AbbathorX June 23 2009 11:32 AM EDT

Nothing.

CombatSquirrel June 23 2009 11:37 AM EDT

$0.00.

mexitl June 23 2009 11:37 AM EDT

zero

Phaete June 23 2009 11:38 AM EDT

Total: $0.00

Brakke Bres [Ow man] June 23 2009 11:41 AM EDT

squat

TrueDevil [AAA] June 23 2009 11:42 AM EDT

SF , past auction was around 350-450 k.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] June 23 2009 11:44 AM EDT

GoM (given away) worth approx 3k

PoisoN June 23 2009 11:44 AM EDT

Nix.

Timberwolf June 23 2009 11:48 AM EDT

Zero

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] June 23 2009 11:50 AM EDT

1 lesser ToE worth about 900 CBD.

Listener [Fees Dirt Cheap] June 23 2009 11:52 AM EDT

BoTH - 375k
Rune of Solitude - 350k

Total value - 725k

QBsutekh137 June 23 2009 11:53 AM EDT

A base exbow looks to be going for around 250K. So, my exbows are worth 500K.

That takes my total to 4 drops worth 2.65 million.

Colonel Custard June 23 2009 11:55 AM EDT

0, here.

QBRanger June 23 2009 11:56 AM EDT

Thank you all so far for replying.

Please keep the information coming and hopefully tonight i will have some data to post.

Dark Dreky June 23 2009 11:57 AM EDT

$0.00 CBD

Last Gasp June 23 2009 12:00 PM EDT

SB +4 sold for 3.1 Mil. LTat sold for $6,000.

Total: $3,106,000.

Rubberduck[T] [Hell Blenders] June 23 2009 12:14 PM EDT

LToBF sells to store for $948

I don't get all my BA or buy any.

j'bob June 23 2009 12:21 PM EDT

I purchased a chance at someone elses drop (for 250-275k, I think) and they did get one so I got a ToA.
I have sold it to a nub for 325k.
I myself have not seen one of these alleged, "drops".

Mikel June 23 2009 12:27 PM EDT

0000000000

miteke [Superheros] June 23 2009 12:29 PM EDT

Katana: got about 50K out of it.

ceslis June 23 2009 12:37 PM EDT

AoJ- 1.9M
Sb's- 3M
BoF- 550k

Total value 5.45M

Rawr June 23 2009 12:48 PM EDT

^

/golfclap

DoS [Demon Forging] June 23 2009 12:49 PM EDT

^Wow >.<

+7 Corn which I expect to sell for 2.5-3mil

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] June 23 2009 12:53 PM EDT

here is mine:

A Lesser Rune of Balrog Flame lvl 20 $6,000 {CB2}Tal Destra

A Katana [74x1] (+0) $8,500 {CB2}Tal Destra

An Amulet of Junction [0] (+9) $2,000,000 Central Bank

BHT June 23 2009 12:58 PM EDT

Your auction for A Pair of Gloves of Mercy [0] (+7) has sold for $35,400.
Your auction for A Halidon Familiar lvl 20 has sold for $790,079.

Total Drop Profits to date: $825,479

Daz June 23 2009 1:02 PM EDT

Nada

BadFish June 23 2009 1:05 PM EDT

Zip, zero, zilch, goose egg.

Zenai June 23 2009 1:07 PM EDT

Drops: 0

Profit: $0.00

{CB1}Sparticus [Screwed Justice] June 23 2009 1:16 PM EDT

O% return

FailBoat[SG] June 23 2009 1:20 PM EDT

A Sling of Death [5x11] (+2) $1,000,001

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] June 23 2009 1:41 PM EDT

Drops: 1

Es for 6k

AdminShade June 23 2009 1:48 PM EDT

Drop: Lesser RoS

haven't sold yet, don't think it will be more than 5,000 CB.

Demigod June 23 2009 1:49 PM EDT

$0.00 I want to sign up for CB welfare.

Tyriel [123456789] June 23 2009 2:15 PM EDT

+5 GoM, worth about 20k.

Goodfish June 23 2009 2:15 PM EDT

0.00 CBD.

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] June 23 2009 2:25 PM EDT

nowt

Admiralkiller June 23 2009 2:28 PM EDT

MCM = $325k

Newlin [SeeD] June 23 2009 2:33 PM EDT

nothing

Sickone June 23 2009 3:34 PM EDT

Only one thing : EF, estimated ~150k CB$

Eurynome Bartleby [Bartleby's] June 23 2009 4:06 PM EDT

Same as Sickone for me.

Lefty June 23 2009 4:20 PM EDT

3 Lesser Tattoos

Value: 3k.

{WW]Nayab [Cult of the Valaraukar] June 23 2009 4:26 PM EDT

0
decided to change to a cost effective strat so i can get some money out of this :P

Thak June 23 2009 4:43 PM EDT

Total value = 0
Total drops = 0

Corath June 23 2009 5:08 PM EDT

0.00!!

KingElfstone June 23 2009 5:26 PM EDT

Gloves of Mercy $8,000

iBananco [Blue Army] June 23 2009 5:27 PM EDT

800K.

Pwned June 23 2009 5:36 PM EDT

alittle under $2,800,000

Flamey June 23 2009 7:14 PM EDT

BoM: sold for $1.6 mil.

RywA [Dark Carnival Forging] June 23 2009 7:52 PM EDT

Z e R o

QBRanger June 23 2009 7:54 PM EDT

So far we have, from most to least:
Ceslis 5.45M
Last Gasp 3.106M
Deifeln8 3M
IntoExile 2.8M
Sutekh137 2.65M
Gandalf 2.32M
Idiotz 2.231M
Dudemus 2.014M
Soxjr 1.680M
Flamey 1.6M
Burton 1.6M
SilvaGaidin 1M
Rawr 850k
WoC—PWNS 825k
Deifeln7 800k
Ranger 735k
Listener 725k
TrueDevil 400k
Admiralkiller 325k
Sickone 150k
The R in Poutine 150k
Miteke 50k
Tyriel 20k
KingElfstone 8k
Eliteofdelete 6k
Shade 5k
Emotion 3k
Novice 3k
Rubberduck 1k
Nemerizt 1k
Blackshadowshade 0
TheCakeIsTheTruth 0
PoisoN 0
Draco5676 0
Serialkiller 0
Nayab 0 + 1 strategy change
Thak 0
Corath 0
Warlord Newlin 0
Goodfish 0
Warlord Daz 0
Badfish 0
Sparticus 0
Duh1 0
Dark Dreky 0
Demigod 0 + welfare voucher
GnuUzir 0
Slayer333 0
Lord Bob 0
CombatSquirrel 0
Mexitl 0
Phaete 0
Henk Bres 0
J’bob 0
Mikel 0
Wasp 0

If anyone here is not using all their BA and/or not buying BA most everyday, please let me know.

NooneKnows June 23 2009 7:55 PM EDT

nothing here

Admiralkiller June 23 2009 7:56 PM EDT

I am using about 80-90% of my available BA refreshed and bought

QBRanger June 23 2009 8:13 PM EDT

26/56 got nothing so far
9/55 got between 1 and 100k
9/55 got between 100k and 1M
12/55 received 1M or more worth of items

62.5% of all people won less than 100k worth of items
21.4% of all people won more than 1M worth of items topped by 5M

I am not making an inferences but am just posting the statistics through the first 3 weeks of this change.

As per the number of battles fought by these 56 people, I will have to make some assumptions.

1) Average BA regeneration rate is 7 per.
2) 90% of all battles fought, with all buying BA

7 x 3 = 21 BA per hour x 24 hour = 504 BA + 168 bought BA = 670 BA per person per day.

670 x 20 days x 56 people = 750,000 battles among these people.

Large enough sample size? By statistics, yes. 750k is a huge sample size.

Does it include all people? No, but that is what statistics do, infer based upon information given. Given the Central Limit Theorem, I believe we have enough information.

Enjoy the stats!!!


Admindudemus [jabberwocky] June 23 2009 8:31 PM EDT

did anyone start tracking liquid and net assets after the change?

there are web sites that will tell you what sample size you need for a given population, unfortunately for a population as small as ours you really need a sample size almost the same.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] June 23 2009 8:34 PM EDT

sample size calculator:

http://www.surveysystem.com/sscalc.htm

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] June 23 2009 8:38 PM EDT

just to head off confusion:

"670 x 20 days x 56 people = 750,000 battles among these people.

Large enough sample size? By statistics, yes. 750k is a huge sample size."

you aren't going for statistics on percentages of drops per battle using the stats you stated.

you are going for net worth given to users. our population for users is approximately 250, therefore your sample size is the 56 users.

Sickone June 23 2009 8:47 PM EDT

56 out of 250 is a statistically significant sample even if you would consider consistent BA use over all accounts... but since at least 100 people barely use up any BA at all fighting, those 56 people that posted (and are active enough to care) most likely account for roughly half of the BA spent on fighting (estimated 750k out of roughly 1.5 mil battles).

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] June 23 2009 8:55 PM EDT

"but since at least 100 people barely use up any BA at all fighting"

where does that stat come from?



Admiralkiller June 23 2009 8:55 PM EDT

Maybe after a player has won 50 items you can work out how much a player would gain or lose from this new change.

IMO there has not been enough items won to compare to
which means there is not enough battles fought.

So really there is not enough data to base any $ value lost or gained yet.

As always with averages the more data collected= More accuracy.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] June 23 2009 8:58 PM EDT

i still think it is much better to track net assets along with liquid assets and compare that to it's growth before the change. wouldn't that tell us unequivocally whether the change results in a gain or loss opposed to before?

of course if that was the intention all along then we are just proving how effective jon's change is?

[RX3]Cotillion June 23 2009 9:23 PM EDT

$000.00

I fight at least 80% of my BA per day without purchasing extra. Trying to save up for a NCB.

{Wookie}-Jir.Vr- June 23 2009 9:32 PM EDT

Zero...

QBRanger June 23 2009 9:47 PM EDT

And here is another stat:

51 items have dropped for 56 players over the first 20 days.

Average about 1 item per player per 20 days.

Or using my battles fought guestimate, we have 51 items in about 750,000 battles.

About 1 drop per 14k battles.

Just a rough, very very rough estimate of things.

77k battles fought past 24 hours today for the record = about 5.5 drops a day.

No inferences, just the statistics.

Jon may be laughing at my guestimate. But it was fun to try.

Bolfen June 23 2009 9:48 PM EDT

zip

QBRanger June 23 2009 9:58 PM EDT

"56 out of 250 is a statistically significant sample even if you would consider consistent BA use over all accounts... but since at least 100 people barely use up any BA at all fighting, those 56 people that posted..."

I came to almost the exact same conclusion as Sickone in another thread.

But I agree with his conclusions:

People who forge, just pop in like Hatch, or choose not to fight like GL, presumably account for about 1/4 to 1/3 of people in CB.

Now before you get frazzled, it is only a rough estimate based upon a couple factors.

1) All the people I know and discuss things with on cb. About 1 in 7 do not fight anymore.

2) At least 10 forgers have done over 7M, so I assumed they were full time forgers. Ten is however, likely lower than the true number.

So I figured about 150 or so actually fight. Perhaps less, perhaps a bit more.

But 56 out of 150ish is a very high sample size. About 1/3 of all players.

I will stand by my statistics as righteous for this discussion.

However, I will not make many inferences about their significance.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] June 23 2009 10:23 PM EDT

i guess no one is tracking item nw or liquid assets since the change?

QBRanger June 23 2009 10:38 PM EDT

I am quite sure Jon is to see if 20% is too high an amount.

Newlin [SeeD] June 24 2009 12:07 AM EDT

I use approximately 80% of my natural BA and purchase none.

Sickone June 24 2009 12:44 AM EDT

" "but since at least 100 people barely use up any BA at all fighting"
where does that stat come from? "

http://www.carnageblender.com/directory/browse-recent.tcl

15 minutes is the minimum for one login session so there's a MAXIMUM of 160 BA burned per 15 minutes listed there (except the odd NCB preparation and initial discharge)

There's 35 people on each page.

1st place is Ranger, with 25h 15m, or a maximum of 101 logins in the last 7 days
5th place, {CB1}Zenai U'Lanya with his hardcore NCB run, with 18 h 15m, or a max of 73 logins in the last 7 days

1st page ends with 9h 45m (or max 39 logins in the last 7 days)
2nd page ends with 7h 15m (or max 29 logins in the last 7 days)
That's about the number of REALLY active players, around 70

3rd page ends with 5h 00m (or max 20 logins in the last 7 days)
Some of these people couldn't possibly burn all their BA

4th page ends with 3h 00m (or max 12 logins in the last 7 days)
These people already miss most of their BA - and that's just 140 out of 250+ players that logged in in the past 7 days

And that's where the "at least 100 people barely use any BA at all".

Sickone June 24 2009 12:48 AM EDT

By the way, I'm #25 on that list (on the first page), and I know for a fact I *AM* missing some BA on a daily basis due to sleep and other issues.

Last Gasp June 24 2009 1:16 AM EDT

Hey cool... I'm 15th on the list... I am at 6 regen and burn about 98% of my BA, buy about 98% of my BA except for Sunday's where I burn about 25% and buy none.

Demigod June 24 2009 1:48 AM EDT

That can't be accurate. I leave CB running all day long at work. That's a 40-hour work week. I'm so productive.

hzarb June 24 2009 2:42 AM EDT

I got nothing so far.. and I pretty much burn all BA and buy the daily allowance..

BadFish June 24 2009 2:54 AM EDT

My mistake- should have realized my input is much more meaningful with a "% of BA spent" statistic attached.

0 drops so far, spend about 70% of natural BA regen, purchased none.

QBJohnnywas June 24 2009 4:22 AM EDT

"Demigod 1:48 AM EDT

That can't be accurate. I leave CB running all day long at work. That's a 40-hour work week. I'm so productive. "

Likewise here. And when I'm at home. The only time it's not on is when I go to sleep...

QBJohnnywas June 24 2009 6:32 AM EDT

By the way, that list of recent log-ins has no real link to BA usage. Compare to clan MVPs for the same time period and see what I mean.

Zenai June 24 2009 6:40 AM EDT

Ranger your numbers are off you forgot a few ppl on your list or accidentally skipped over them. You may want to do a recount.

{WW]Nayab [Cult of the Valaraukar] June 24 2009 6:44 AM EDT

Mandos is pleased with your victory and grants you a A Katana [74x3] (+8). Use it well!

You will need to change my previous post now :P
NW of 58,031

Flamey June 24 2009 7:55 AM EDT

Any figures/results so far? I glimpsed and I see no numbers! :)

Mikel June 24 2009 8:05 AM EDT

"That can't be accurate. I leave CB running all day long at work. That's a 40-hour work week. I'm so productive. "

Yep, definitely not accurate for BA spending. I am on page 7, and I hardly miss any BA.

I am logged in all the time at home and I log in once a day at work during the day to spend a batch of BA so that I don't have to rush to get home and when I log in at work it rarely ever kicks me out at home. So in that 7 day period, you might find that I log in a total of 6-8 times per week.

QBRanger June 24 2009 9:34 AM EDT

I log in and out during work. Likely accounting for my numbers.

Regardless of this some things are known:

We are getting about 1 drop per 20 days on average. Not one great drop, just one drop. Whether it be a lesser tattoo or spellboosters.

All this fun for 20% less money rewards.

Rewards that have forced people to change their strategy from tank to mage.

Rewards that are making it hard for non-usd spenders to buy BA everyday.

All for that 1 in 20 day "WOW" factor.

If the purpose of the change was to lower the cash in CB, fine.

If the change was to be a zero sum event, give me my money back. So I can choose what rares to buy and when to boost my items. So I do not have to try to sell these mostly useless drops I get.

IMO, more people will leave CB due to less real money on their character than will stay due to this random "wow" factor.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] June 24 2009 9:42 AM EDT

"And that's where the "at least 100 people barely use any BA at all"."

that shows jonathan as more active than me! i am actually on one of the last pages and i rarely miss any ba. jon uses very little ba and he's about halfway. ; )

QBRanger June 24 2009 10:50 AM EDT

I agree with you there Dude.

Using those statistics to determine how many people use BA is incomplete.

However, using other methods described earlier in this thread, one can guess to a reasonable theory the number of true fighters in CB.

Herbstwind [The Knighthood] June 24 2009 10:54 AM EDT

Drops: 0
Profit: $0.00

[RX3]Cotillion June 25 2009 12:58 AM EDT

The CB Lottery is still pitching a no hitter against me so far. I use at least 80% of my daily BA. I don't buy BA though.

And again, I raise the point, If characters aren't meant to be a long term commitment and are meant to be replaced, doesn't the -20% hit to rewards go against that idea?

It seems like I won't ever be able to raise enough money to run a NCB.

TrueDevil [AAA] June 25 2009 11:15 AM EDT

Just got another one... didn't even see it during fights.

Mandos is pleased with your victory and grants you a A Cloak of the Istari [6] (+5). Use it well!

SF = 400 k

Istari = 1 - 1.2 mil

mexitl June 25 2009 11:41 AM EDT

just checking in ... still zero.

I burn and buy all BA, every day.

Picasso June 25 2009 12:13 PM EDT

One ES which sold for 7k.

I burn and buy all my BA every day and the cost to hire a new minion is going up faster than my cash is =(

Mikel June 26 2009 9:16 AM EDT

Mandos is pleased with your victory and grants you a A Morgul-Hammer [84x8] (+0). Use it well!

Finally something! Almost missed it!

QBJohnnywas June 26 2009 9:21 AM EDT

I've had so far a Shield Of Capacity and a lesser EF.

The SoC replaced the BoM on my char, and I disenchanted the BoM to boost the SoC, so I could use it. Which means at that point I lost a couple of mill. Then I sold the BoM for 2 mill. But as I lost 2 mill disenchanting I'm back to zero cash.

And the Lesser I sold to the store for it's basic price which was about $500.

A grand total of $500 then or thereabouts.

Still love the change though.

QBRanger June 26 2009 10:56 AM EDT

Actually JW, your value of drops is about 1.05M based upon the value of the SoC.

Does not matter if your using it, it still has some value in CB.

AdminShade June 26 2009 10:59 AM EDT

Ranger: have you calculated something yet or is this just to hear people about it?

QBRanger June 26 2009 11:12 AM EDT

A repost of a post above.

After 20 days:

26/56 got nothing so far
9/55 got between 1 and 100k
9/55 got between 100k and 1M
12/55 received 1M or more worth of items

62.5% of all people won less than 100k worth of items
21.4% of all people won more than 1M worth of items topped by 5M

I am not making an inferences but am just posting the statistics through the first 3 weeks of this change.

As per the number of battles fought by these 56 people, I will have to make some assumptions.

1) Average BA regeneration rate is 7 per.
2) 90% of all battles fought, with all buying BA

7 x 3 = 21 BA per hour x 24 hour = 504 BA + 168 bought BA = 670 BA per person per day.

670 x 20 days x 56 people = 750,000 battles among these people.

Large enough sample size? By statistics, yes. 750k is a huge sample size.

Does it include all people? No, but that is what statistics do, infer based upon information given. Given the Central Limit Theorem, I believe we have enough information.

And here is another stat:

51 items have dropped for 56 players over the first 20 days.

Average about 1 item per player per 20 days.

Or using my battles fought guestimate, we have 51 items in about 750,000 battles.

About 1 drop per 14k battles.

Just a rough, very very rough estimate of things.

77k battles fought past 24 hours today for the record = about 5.5 drops a day.

No inferences, just the statistics.

Jon may be laughing at my guestimate. But it was fun to try.

I stopped using data after the end of day 20.

Little Anthony June 26 2009 11:14 AM EDT

Your auction for An Elven Stiletto [55x1] (+0) has sold for $1.

Wasp [Demon Forging] June 26 2009 11:26 AM EDT

Still $1 more thne I ever got. I've still got nout. My NCB will be coming to an end soon as I lack more cashto provide it to. Sad to see that I can't compete without USD. This game is getting dry.
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