S&F: Sexy and Flirtatious! (in Off-topic)

QBOddBird October 19 2010 9:47 AM EDT

The other thread died, so welcome to the Oct-Nov S&F thread! Past threads:
Thread 1
Thread 2
Thread 3
YouTube link to S&F wars/dungeons

Also, WAR has been declared this day! Go prep.

Even though we've tried to find a fitting formula, we currently still just use 10% of gold earned.

Table according to the possible donation formulae:
level lvl*lvl*5 lvl*lvl*10
10 500 1,000
20 2,000 4,000
30 4,500 9,000
40 8,000 16,000
50 12,500 25,000
60 18,000 36,000
70 24,500 49,000
80 32,000 64,000
90 40,500 81,000
100 50,000 100,000
150 112,500 225,000
200 200,000 400,000

Demigod October 19 2010 9:57 AM EDT

Our target has few members, but they have three in the 70s, two in the 80s, and one who's 93.

It will be fun to take down the lvl 93 guy. Let's see if he preps. ;p

AdminShade October 19 2010 10:09 AM EDT

I've prepared!

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 19 2010 10:57 AM EDT

if donations hold up, we will be doing the guild dungeon tomorrow. make sure you can get on some time during the day to prep for that as we will have 226k on the line! ; )

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 19 2010 11:49 AM EDT

It will be fun to take down the lvl 93 guy. Let's see if he preps. ;p

prepped he has!

QBOddBird October 19 2010 4:11 PM EDT

Aw, man. I was hoping he wouldn't.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 19 2010 4:13 PM EDT

actually the last i checked he is the only one prepped!

also, we now have enough gold or our guild dungeon raid tomorrow, we will likely start it around 8 a.m central which would put the run at 6 p.m. central.

Bolfen October 19 2010 5:58 PM EDT

Just got started (thanks, end of BA link!)

Any CB guild have any room? S&F name is bolfen

Demigod October 19 2010 7:54 PM EDT

Just another reminder:

We're blowing over 220,000 gold tomorrow. Please, please, please prep for it. Prep time will be the same as it was today.

We did well and only had one huge player not prep today. ::waves to Canibus:: But we'll need everyone's firepower for these guild dungeons.

If for some reason we end up losing, place the blame on whomever oversleeps.

QBOddBird October 20 2010 12:17 AM EDT

I'm starting to record our guild wars and guild dungeon fights, for those who are buggy and miss them. I'll probably go to YouTube and post them on a channel there later, but for now, I've uploaded today's Guild War.

Guild War, 10/19/2010

Let me know if you know of a better way to go about making these recordings available to those who might want them. :)

Demigod October 20 2010 1:13 AM EDT

As someone who's missed two fights due to glitches, THANK YOU.

YouTube's the best way for us to view them. But feel free to record them in smaller resolution. This download is massive and took 12 minutes to grab from the link. The quality is great, but it doesn't have to be that high.

As a heads-up to the rest of you guys, there's no audio, but that really doesn't matter.

Phrede October 20 2010 9:19 AM EDT

Dungeon started - please take a minute to go and prep - and OB - thats a great move - we can check our relative performances.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 20 2010 9:42 AM EDT

thanks for starting it, my wife hit an axis buck on the way to school this morning and i had to go get her and then get her car taken care of! ; (

Demigod October 20 2010 9:45 AM EDT

Did she remember to tag the deer? There's nothing cool about poaching.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 20 2010 9:55 AM EDT

actually no, and someone had taken it by the time i got back from taking her to work and before the wrecker arrived. it had a nice rack on it too!

QBOddBird October 20 2010 6:35 PM EDT

But feel free to record them in smaller resolution. This download is massive and took 12 minutes to grab from the link. The quality is great, but it doesn't have to be that high.

I'm going to decrease the quality by about 20% for this guild dungeon battle - so we'll see if that's acceptable or not. I'm also not sure if AVI is a better choice than SWF, or if it would be smaller, etc. so I'll have to check that out as well. Thanks for the input :) and yeah, it took me around 30 minutes to upload. A smaller filesize would be welcome on both ends.

Corath October 20 2010 6:38 PM EDT

prep up guys.. we are under att

Minnakht October 20 2010 6:40 PM EDT

What recording software do you use? I can help out if you're too busy/don't feel like watching all the dex matchups.

Also, we're being attacked.

QBOddBird October 20 2010 6:51 PM EDT

I use CamStudio currently. It's a pretty decent little recorder.

Dungeon starts in 17 minutes, right?

QBOddBird October 20 2010 7:22 PM EDT

Got a YouTube channel up for our S&F fights, here's the first one:


Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 20 2010 11:14 PM EDT

i can't seeem to get the html to work, but here is the buck my wife hit this morning next to my miata!


QBOddBird October 20 2010 11:17 PM EDT


Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 20 2010 11:23 PM EDT

yeah, that is how my day started! ; )

the cool thing is about ten people stopped to check on her. i told several of them about the nice buck on the road she had hit and within one hour of it her hitting it, the buck was gone. it was actually hauled off before the tow truck hauled her car in!

Demigod October 20 2010 11:29 PM EDT

here is the buck my wife hit this morning next to my miata!

Aw, you drive a Miata. How cute, a guy driving a lady's car. :)

sebidach [The Forgehood] October 21 2010 7:06 AM EDT

GOD SLAYERS offered me to join their guild. 120% bonuses!! ;)

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 21 2010 8:01 AM EDT

i was wondering when that would start to happen! ; )

QBOddBird October 21 2010 8:49 AM EDT

Awwww. Nobody's been trying to hijack me from the guild...*emos*

QBOddBird October 21 2010 9:36 AM EDT


The video is still processing, so it might be a minute or two after I've posted this before you can view it. Let me know if I should knock the quality back up a bit more, or if this is good.

QBOddBird October 21 2010 9:40 AM EDT

Also, does anyone know how to add an uploaded video to their YouTube channel? It would be a lot easier if I could just link to my YouTube channel and we could view all the videos from there.

QBOddBird October 21 2010 9:51 AM EDT

OK, here we are. The one link to rule them all!


QBOddBird October 21 2010 10:29 AM EDT

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeet a rare item reward for a tavern mission! I didn't even know that could happen! :D

AdminShade October 21 2010 10:55 AM EDT

woo, quite nice!

QBOddBird October 21 2010 5:25 PM EDT

=\ I just got the exact same epic twice in a row. Boooooo

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 21 2010 5:26 PM EDT

it is always nice to have an extra roll of toilet paper though! ; )

Demigod October 21 2010 11:00 PM EDT

I'll start by thanking all of you guys for your efforts. This game is a blast because of your involvement, and we're tearing through the ranks because of your amazing teamwork. I'm pleasantly shocked at how the majority of you guys stay dedicated and help the guild along.

But that being said, some of you have made it known that you don't like the disparity in donations. While almost all of you are doing perfectly fine (and some are doing flat-out amazing work), there are a few doing nothing more than bumming a free ride on the work of others. I don't want to start kicking people for wasting the guild's limited spaces, but something must change.

In a civil manner, I want your opinions on how this should be handled. Specifically, what simple, universal equation should be used as a litmus test for "adequate" donations based on level? I'm not trying to set a high bar here, rather one that's low enough to clearly show when someone is falling behind the mark. We don't need to include shrooms in this equation; as far as I'm concerned, those who donated lots of shrooms have already shown they know how to give back and support the guild.

QBOddBird October 21 2010 11:22 PM EDT

Given that our guild's gold bonus determines how much extra gold we're gaining, I feel that it should be included in the formula.

I also feel that the formula should find a total amount that should be donated at any given time, rather than an amount per day/week/etc as this would be a bit more tedious. (I was gone for a few days..umm...how much do I owe?) This would also be easier to calculate to see if anyone is bumming after the formula is presented.

I think something as simple as (guild gold bonus * 2) * level is fair. This is not an absurdly high amount to expect.

Vaynard [Fees Dirt Cheap] October 21 2010 11:53 PM EDT

I have to say I like the idea of a recommended donation level. Something to encourage involvement, yet not too strict to drive people away. My vote would be for around 200*level gold recommendation.

In effect you're just asking people donate only 200g every time they level. That's simple if people use the City Guard.

Demigod October 22 2010 12:00 AM EDT

The equation must be progressive with levels since gold earnings are progressive as well.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 22 2010 12:04 AM EDT

i was thinking of character level * .5 *1000. if you are level 60 then you would need to be over 30,000 in gold donations. this also comes out to 500 gold per level.

we would have understand that gold is harder to come by down low and the formula may not work until people are over level 20 or so.

i do think that whatever formula we choose it needs to be simple enough that everyone can look at the mouseover on the guild page and figure it from the info given there.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 22 2010 12:06 AM EDT

i am not sure it has to be progressive as this is kind of a baseline. i think many will still donate more than this. also, progressive doesn't really take into account that many players may want to max out xp rewards.

Demigod October 22 2010 12:24 AM EDT

It would absolutely have to be progressive. Look at these examples of your equation:

Lvl 20 x .5 x 1000 = 10,000g -- That's impossible. IamSmarterist did a great job of reaching 441g by level 23.

Lvl 32 x .5 x 1000 = 16,000g -- Still nuts. Merikah stunned us by reaching 2357g by that level before leaving for the ever-lasting move.

It makes sense within a certain range of levels, but it falls apart quickly at both ends.

Zippy October 22 2010 12:28 AM EDT

Coming from me someone who is on the lower end of donating might sound like a lot. I am willing to donate if asked a set amount.

So I was thinking along the lines of a level 50 can easily donate 5000 gold. This made me come up with the equation:

250*(.5*L-5)=$ where L is level

This means anyone level 10 or lower if any are left do not donate. I was thinking this would be a weekly amount required.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 22 2010 12:30 AM EDT

people get about twice as much gold now as merikah did though from the bonuses.

i stated above that we would have to be flexible below a certain point. but i don't think that past level 25 it would be that difficult. we aren't necessarily going to be getting enough new members that this can't be handled per case.

if we were still growing it would concern me more. once we get past level 100 one can always readjust it or say it is different once you get to that level.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 22 2010 12:36 AM EDT

we only have 2 members below level 30 and 6 below level 40 after all.

AdminShade October 22 2010 1:14 AM EDT

I'm just (trying to) donate 1000 gold every day.

Soxjr October 22 2010 1:54 AM EDT

It's easy to donate 1k per day at my level which is 46, but if I donate that much everyday it makes upgrading skills slower, because my int skill is over 300 per point now and moving up quickly. I think some amount per level would work out better than per day.

Ankou October 22 2010 1:57 AM EDT

What about something like 10% of gold earned? It seems to me that this solves several issues:
-It allows for easy checking as to whether or not guild-mates are paying their dues as well as allowing for easy self-policing.
-It is dependent on and thus increases with gold bonus %.
-After a week or so for some people (incl. myself) to get up to their quota, it should be really easy to stay in check.
-Lots of people already meet the requirement.
-It would be a fair requirement for everyone, regardless if you level fast or slow.

Total gold earned is stated on each character profile so its easy to see. If it is a problem for some of the lower level people to make the cut any time soon, we can give them a bit of time. I know that for me, I could make my 21k required in 3 days if starting from scratch, so everyone close to my level (60+) should have no problem at all. We could even go as far as to enforce the requirement for 60+ this week, 50-55+ next week, 40-45+ the week after and so on, giving younger players more time to catch up.

Windwalker October 22 2010 2:18 AM EDT

Why not just a flat percentage on gold earned? 15 to 20%

sebidach [The Forgehood] October 22 2010 3:12 AM EDT

10% of total money earned would be limboed by Freed. ;) He has 9.1% atm.

Otherwise +1 for a percentage based minimum.

Phrede October 22 2010 3:27 AM EDT

We are being attacked - please take a minute to go and prep :)
This is gonna happen more and more the higher rise in ranks - go have a look at the top 40 guilds :)

Phrede October 22 2010 3:37 AM EDT

btw - just had a chance to read the gold issue. I am quite happy to have a base requirement - the 10% figure seems reasonable - although it does hit people like me who only go for gold in Tavern - it would still be easy for me to up my donations.

What I am not in favour of is that we have a % that forces people to change their strat in favour of exp - over gold.

sebidach [The Forgehood] October 22 2010 4:43 AM EDT

Just to have a reference of Freeds calculator link:


Might come in handy for some of us.

Ankou October 22 2010 5:04 AM EDT

I think if we have a grace period for people to catch up it shouldn't be a problem, and once your caught up, it'll never be an issue. If your strategy for quests is to go all out on the experience ones and neglect gold altogether like me, you simply earn less and thus pay less in to the guild. Even so, I still hit both 10hr jobs a day and make about 7k/day.

What is great about a % earned requirement is that it does not matter how much your earn as its a percentage of your earnings. Yes, for the first while some people may have to go for gold quests instead of xp, but how is that any different that our special gold donation days? I myself will have to sacrifice a little stats, 10% of earned sets me back 2-3 days but I see that as the cost of slacking on donating my fair share.

alisa [The Forgehood] October 22 2010 6:14 AM EDT

how do i check how much i've earned total? n how much is 10%?

Phrede October 22 2010 6:51 AM EDT

Alisa - on the right hand side at the bottom of your char screen you will see a list of achievements - mouse over the Chest of Gold

Minnakht October 22 2010 7:12 AM EDT

We could also base donations off of city guard wage rates. The rates scale with your level, and would provide an easier way to calculate your required donation. Perhaps a minimum donation of 5 hours of city guard.

However, this hits exp-questers much harder than gold-questers and non-mushroomers harder than mushroomers. City guard wages make up about half my total gold income, and 5 hours is about 1/4 of my total city guard wages, making my donation about 12.5%, whereas a gold-quester may only be donating about 5%.

That depends if you want to tax mushroom usage/gold-questage.

miteke [Superheros] October 22 2010 7:18 AM EDT

My only issue would be that I joined at level 41 and paid a bunch into my old guild. So any expectations based on level would take me some time to catch up to.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 22 2010 8:08 AM EDT

i think we can assume that anything implemented would have to have a certain period of time for members to catch up!

i do not like using gold earned as it is disproportionate for those who go for gold rather than xp.

i think for it to be fair it needs to be more based around level so that all people of the same level need to donate the same amount, after all they have the same gold opportunities.

an example as to why i think basing it off of gold earned is bad is that demi is level 77 and has made 484k gold. i am only level 67 but have made 440k gold due to focusing on gold. he has the opportunity to make more gold than i but our donation requirements would be very similar.

Phoenix [The Forgehood] October 22 2010 8:48 AM EDT

While I agree with the 10% thing, where it's as if you were really just getting a 80% guild bonus instead of a 100% bonus, the question of how much we really need the gold arises. After all, the guild dungeons are increasing in difficulty by 10 levels each time. A couple more dungeons and we don't have a chance of winning. Plus, we've been picking low-cost targets in terms of other guilds.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 22 2010 8:52 AM EDT

the cost of the guild dungeons are going to also keep rising quickly though. we will get to a point where we need to grow before finishing one and that will also give us more time than now to get the gold gathered.

this is one reason i think the formula based on level will work. as we grow if we find that we are still waiting on gold rather than levels to complete dungeons then we can change the multiplier in the level * multiplier * 1000 formula. i do think for now that .5 as the multiplier would be fine and works out to 500 gold donated per level, so each time ya level throw five hundred more gold in and be done.

Phoenix [The Forgehood] October 22 2010 9:08 AM EDT

We're being attacked, people! Go prep.

Phoenix [The Forgehood] October 22 2010 9:11 AM EDT

>i do think for now that .5 as the multiplier would be fine and works out to 500 gold donated per level

I will note that at my level, that would be 15500 gold, where I've only earned 13375.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 22 2010 9:16 AM EDT

which is why i stated above that we would need to do it differently for the very low players until they get to a certain level. this would be a temporary problem though since we only have 2 players below 30 and 4 more between 30 and 40. i think once you hit level 50 it should kick in personally.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 22 2010 9:26 AM EDT

we have 18 players below level fifty. i think knowing that at fifty you would need to get up to 25k donations would encourage people to do what they can nearing that level. we could even say that it kicks in at fifty but you have till 55 to get your donations up to the formula or something like that.

AdminShade October 22 2010 11:48 AM EDT

Table according to the level*level*10 payment formula:
level gold paid per level
10 1,000
20 4,000
30 9,000
40 16,000
50 25,000
60 36,000
70 49,000
80 64,000
90 81,000
100 100,000

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 22 2010 11:54 AM EDT

demi hasn't weighed in on this nor has many other players, so don't use it yet but i do think that it is the best formula so far!

Phoenix [The Forgehood] October 22 2010 12:01 PM EDT

I still think it's asking too much of lower levels in regards to the table. Plus, I'm sure yo read that at level 31 I've only made 13K, shade. A 9K donation would leave me at maybe half stats. (maybe less) I still advocate a 10% donation. That's equal to about 20% guild bonus which seems to be what a lot of others guilds have.

Phoenix [The Forgehood] October 22 2010 12:03 PM EDT

Err to clarify, the 10% equates to the guild having about +83% gold bonus instead of 104%.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 22 2010 12:13 PM EDT

and once again, we only have 2 people lower than level 30 and 4 more between 30 and 40. any problems at the lower levels can be handled on a per case basis.

it likely comes out to once during each level you throw a full shift of guard duty gold at the guild. also remember that we are now getting over twice what we would without the guild bonuses and we can max that out at three times if we keep doing the dungeons...in the long run of course.

we also don't really know what happens over 100 in levels so we can always adjust it later if needed!

Phoenix [The Forgehood] October 22 2010 12:18 PM EDT

We don't really need it that fast anyway. Dungeon 5 would be very hard when we get up to it and I doubt we can kill the boss in 6 even if we gave it 3 weeks.

QBOddBird October 22 2010 12:21 PM EDT

Aye. It'll be a longer period of time between each dungeon. Hopefully, though, that means we grow enough between each to be better able to handle them.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 22 2010 12:21 PM EDT

it isn't really designed to bring in fast money and it really won't as many are already over the minimum. what it is designed for is fairness and convenience. fairness in that it will obvious who isn't holding up their end and convenience in that people will know what is expected of them rather than leaving it up to the honor system as we have.

Phrede October 22 2010 12:23 PM EDT

Its a nice table - so someone owes me 75K :)
Joking aside - I have only been donating around 9% of my gold to the guild and that includes 2 days at least of everything I earn going to the guild to get enough for a dungeon run.

Whilst its a good basis, and we do need something, I think that there should be a slightly steeper progression above level 80

Looking at the L100 amount, to give you some idea, I could earn that amount in a day quite easily now.

How about making it so that L80 have a 2 multipler, L100 a 3 multiplier, L120 a 4 multiplier etc.

QBOddBird October 22 2010 12:24 PM EDT

Seriously, you can earn 100k in a day?!? x_____x


AdminShade October 22 2010 12:29 PM EDT

added 2 more level points for reference, see 1st post :)

Minnakht October 22 2010 12:30 PM EDT

I dislike all these donation rules. I remember this is how my old guild started falling apart; People started to disagree over how much they donated, due to everyone employing a different strategy in generating gold.

I liked how you guys handled in back when Jabberwocky started. When the guild needs some gold, have a day where you donate everything you make to the guild. Once we get to the point where we no longer can complete the next guild dungeon, these days will only occur about once a month.

If people don't donate, we can handle them on a case-by-case basis. (The most notable are Sbalisa and lostling).

QBRanger October 22 2010 12:32 PM EDT

There has to be some wiggle room for new players growing fast like myself. One still has to be able to grow ones characater statwise.

By this table, I am woefully short of cash and would be on a watch list.

Perhaps start it at level x level x 5.

Demigod October 22 2010 12:39 PM EDT

As nice as Shade's formula is laid out, it's too aggressive. Even if we reduce the multiplier from 10 to 8, we will still have problems with scaling.

We may end up going with a percentage-based system. It's slightly less favorable for those who pick tavern fights based on gold, but it's the fairest of all the options so far, and it's very easy to track.

Regardless of whether or not we use that system, I want to remind you guys that it's just a guideline. If you fall under the selected mark, there will be plenty of time to get the numbers in line. Don't sweat it. For those of you who donated shrooms in leiu of gold, don't feel overly pressured, either. This is just intended as a means of judging if you're carrying your own weight. But if we use 10% and you're at 5% with no shrooms, it's a clear sign you need to ramp it up.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 22 2010 12:43 PM EDT

the other option is always to handle it on a case by case basis, but then we still run into the question of how much is enough? also, what do we do with those who do not donate? the last question will have to be dealt with either way though.

these are the problems that break guilds apart. this is why i wanted to have the discussion and not just have the officers involved in it.

how do we deal with the equity of xp vs. gold is a very tough question. i understand ranger's concerns. if you look at it from the other point of view though it also isn't fair to have people going for gold punished more or financing people to grow faster than they are especially when they have had less of a bonus than the new people most of the way to where they are.

i am cool with dealing with it on a case by case basis, but we do still need to decide how much is the right amount so that every case is handled equitably.

AdminShade October 22 2010 12:44 PM EDT

Perhaps start it at level x level x 5.

perhaps we could make it a bit better balanced around level 50.

If we would change the formula to the following: level*level*(level/5) then you get these numbers:

level 10 = 200
level 50 = 25,000
level 100 = 200,000
level 200 = 1,600,000

This more fair, less fair? Just an idea here folks...

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 22 2010 12:53 PM EDT

i think that still goes steep too fast between 50 and 60 shade, it would put me at higher than what i have donated now and i think i have been pretty generous.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 22 2010 1:11 PM EDT

as ranger suggested, level * level * 5 would be okay with me as well. it would basically halve the values in the table above.

again we are looking for a minimum and we will assume that many will still be very generous and do more than asked. also we won't need gold forever and at this point are unsure how much we will need as we have the variables of dungeon cost and guild war cost as we grow.

in short, i don't think we need to worry too much about building something perfect for the over 100 game until we see what it and guild dungeon costs scale like! ; )

AdminTal Destra [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] October 22 2010 1:20 PM EDT

what about lvl^3/5

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 22 2010 1:26 PM EDT

that's the one that puts me at low for now. someone going for xp rather than gold would really be hurting at my level.

AdminShade October 22 2010 1:37 PM EDT

I'll add a level*level*5 row as well then :)

Ankou October 22 2010 1:58 PM EDT

What about using both?

At each level, you need to have donated Y% gold earned or X gold, which ever is lower.

Lets say at my level I had a soft requirement of 10% and a hard requirement of 25k. 10% nets me 20k, so I pay the soft req, but had I earned more, say, over 350k, I'd pay the 25k hard req, as its lower.

Its a little more complicated, but addresses the issue of balance between gold and xp questers.

Phrede October 22 2010 2:35 PM EDT

I have changed my thinking slightly - as we are approaching dungeon limits in the next couple perhaps an "as and when policy" would be adequate - we could always use an agreed formula for suggesting to non-donators they may want to give some.

Most of all - lets not fall out about this :)

Demigod October 22 2010 3:48 PM EDT

Let's go ahead and halt the ideas for a moment. Remember that what we need is simplicity, not perfect accuracy.

The two main thoughts are to either run it as a percentage of gold earned or to use a level-based system. Here are both using officers and upper-middle guys (ignoring shrooms):

10% of Total Gold Earned

This is the easiest to use, but it's skewed against those who focus on gold quests.

Demigod - 11.06%
Freed - 8.87%
Dudemus - 13.22%
Three4ths - 18.14%
Sayomi - 23.8%
Vaynard - 12.6%
Mambazo - 16.97%
Titan - 17.19%
Maxepete - 14.01%

Now let's look at the level-based method:


This is still fairly easy to use, but it's more skewed against those who focus on EXP quests.

Demigod - lvl 77 = 26.9k (donated 54k)
Freed - lvl 87 = 37.8k (donated 155k)
dudemus - lvl 69 = 23.8k (donated 60k)
Three4ths - lvl 64 = 20.5k (donated 37k)
Sayomi - lvl 49 = 12k (donated 20k)
Vaynard - lvl 58 = 16.8k (donated 17.9k)
Mambazo - lvl 58 = 16.8k (donated 23.5k)
Titan - lvl 57 = 16.2k (donated 14.3k)
Maxepete - lvl 57 = 16.2k (donated 15.3k)


We can modify the actual numbers later; I'm only concerned with the method. Personally, I prefer the 10% method, but I still want to hear your votes. Which of the two do you prefer?

QBOddBird October 22 2010 3:50 PM EDT

The more I think about it, the more I agree with what Arfbargle said about dealing with it case-by-case.

If nothing else, we can simply record gold donation amounts when we do one dungeon, and then check when we do the next. If someone consistently shows a pattern of not donating / donating very little, just shoot them a mail and ask them to chip in a bit more.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 22 2010 4:06 PM EDT

playing devil's advocate of course, but i would say how much more do i need to chip in? which brings us right back here.

QBOddBird October 22 2010 4:12 PM EDT

Using the most obvious cases from the current situation that brought this debate up, I'd probably answer "well, to be fair, your total amount donated should probably be a little higher than the amount of gold you can earn in a single work shift."

It's easy to overthink this. Just ask "how much do you make in a guard duty shift?" and you have a baseline for how much that person makes in a given time period. From that, you can offer them a reasonably low goal.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 22 2010 4:14 PM EDT

ok, i vote that demi gets that job then, with great power comes great responsibility! ; )

Demigod October 22 2010 4:15 PM EDT

One of the reasons why I prefer the 10% rule is because it's more informal. I asked a few times for people to use others around them as a litmus test for how much to donate, but it was being abused.

If nothing else, we'll start with the 10% concept and evaluate it down the road. But we do need something to point to as a way of saying "you're way under par, please increase the numbers."

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 22 2010 4:17 PM EDT

guild executioner needed! must be able to work weekends and holidays. we don't need a people-person more of a people-eater-person.

Minnakht October 22 2010 4:18 PM EDT

I think the most simple guideline is the 10% rule. If you want to be a team player and not free load off the guild, donate 10%!
I understand that some people joined the guild late, but gold production ramps up so quickly that the missed gold is negligible.

This shouldn't be enforced by officers. The 10% guideline is just a standard that you can compare yourself to. If you're over 10% donation, you're awesome, and you're a team player! If you're under 10% donation, then you're a freeloading selfish muffincake that would rather improve himself than the guild. So let your morals be the judge of that.

I do agree with sending messages to people that have donated less than 5% of their gold though.

Minnakht October 22 2010 4:19 PM EDT

Whoa, everybody stole my thoughts while I was typing them out.

Bolfen October 22 2010 6:13 PM EDT

Hey, so as a new player, where should I be investing my gold and what quests should I be going for?

I've been going for exp instead of gold. And I've been putting my gold into boosting my Intelligence and Constitution (I'm a mage). Should I put more in Str and Dex? Luck? Buy a better mount?

Demigod October 22 2010 6:29 PM EDT

1. The best mount is worth it if you can afford it.

2. Forget the lesser stats until they become dirt cheap by comparison.

3. Exp vs Gold vs Shortest quest: it's your call. Some of us go for gold to focus on potency; some of us go for exp to level up (getting more HP) and earning more gold as a result; and some of us just go for the shortest quests to give the best odds of finding shrooms. Do what you enjoy.

Demigod October 22 2010 6:31 PM EDT

All right, we're sticking with the 10% guideline for now. I'll send a mass mail for those not playing CB.

AdminTal Destra [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] October 22 2010 6:55 PM EDT

Whats the deadline on getting to that 10% if you aren't there as of now?

Demigod October 22 2010 6:59 PM EDT

I'm not setting a specific deadline. Those under the mark just need to progress towards it. It's only going to be a problem if someone is clearly dragging feet on purpose.

QBRanger October 22 2010 7:00 PM EDT

I would suggest the 10% rule be waived for people under level 50 for now.

QBOddBird October 22 2010 7:15 PM EDT

I second that motion, given that their growth need not be impeded by donations when they are not really large enough yet to have a particularly significant impact on the overall donations received.

QBOddBird October 22 2010 7:20 PM EDT

Don't forget to pick out a target for tomorrow's bi-weekly clan war! :D I have CON and Eternal Life potions taking up an inventory space just for that!

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 23 2010 11:25 AM EDT

we are at war! please take time to prep.

Demigod October 24 2010 2:08 AM EDT

If my guess is correct, we should clear enough donations by Sunday night (U.S. time zones). That means we'll take on the next big bad guild dungeon on Monday during the usual timeframe (the same EXP timeframe that occurs on Tuesdays).

zev October 24 2010 3:14 AM EDT

We will want to be sure we can beat the guild dungeon that is next before we start it. Otherwise if we lose thats a lot of donations gone.

Demigod October 24 2010 3:31 AM EDT

Well aware. We should be able to take this boss.

Dungeon 3: The Shallows Of The Deep Sea (Cost: 365,661 gold)
Monster 1: level 10 Banshee, Scout
Monster 2: level 10 Grey Vulture, Warrior
Monster 3: level 10 Banshee, Scout
Monster 4: level 10 Grey Vulture, Warrior
Monster 5: level 14 Banshee, Scout
Monster 6: level 18 Grey Vulture, Warrior
Monster 7: level 22 Banshee, Scout
Monster 8: level 26 Grey Vulture, Warrior
Monster 9: level 36 Banshee, Scout
Monster 10: level 46 Grey Vulture, Warrior
Monster 11: level 56 Banshee, Scout
Boss Monster: Starfish of Death, level 70, 3,408,000 HP

By the time the fight starts we should have 8 guys who are at least level 70. That's ignoring all the guys who will be 60-69 -- large enough to make it hurt. This will be a battle of attrition. As long as we have enough big guys to wear down the boss's 3.4 million HP, we'll be fine.

zev October 24 2010 4:10 AM EDT

Yeah we should be good actually. My other guild on server 2 just downed this dungeon and doesn't have the the numbers we have.

lostling October 24 2010 4:21 AM EDT

can someone record the dungeons? i've yet to see one

QBOddBird October 24 2010 9:10 AM EDT


Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 24 2010 9:53 AM EDT

titan no longer seems to be playing, hasn't loggged into s&f since the 19th, and he won't respond to my messages (sent twice this week during the dungeon run and saturday's guild war, he did log in on the 19th to prep but failed to yesterday) regarding his status. i have to assume he is tired of the game or too busy.

with that in mind, we may have another slot open if any other cb'ers haven't gotten into the main guild as of yet. please post your s&f name here if you are in this situation and would like to join the rest of us! if no cb'ers want in we can also open this up to other friends or family playing as long as they are active. ; )

QBJohnnywas October 24 2010 10:00 AM EDT

I'm a level 24 Mage, name 'Hawk The Slayer' if there's room for a little one...

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 24 2010 10:03 AM EDT

awesome, i will invite ya now! ; )

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 24 2010 10:03 AM EDT

the invitation should be waiting on ya!

QBJohnnywas October 24 2010 10:06 AM EDT

Ok, I'm in. I'm in the middle of a work period right now, I'll start chucking cash in when that's done. :)

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 24 2010 10:08 AM EDT

we aren't really enforcing the ten percent donation rule until level 50 or so. concentrate on growth more right now as the gold is much easier to come by as you grow!

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 24 2010 10:23 AM EDT

i will go ahead and let everyone know this as i have been sending it to anyone we boot due to inactivity but it would be nice if people that are inactive volunteer for this.

we do have the other guild that has some small bonuses. it is pretty much all inactive people so the chat will be likely dead but at least you can get some bonuses if you are playing even sporadically. hatch is in charge of it now but he is pretty much totally inactive at the current time and it would nice to have one of the players who does log on occasionally in the lead over there to make it easier for invites and such.

if you know you won't be playing or just enjoy the game once a week, this may be a better fit than the active guild as we really want a pretty high level of dedication over there. the downside is that once you move to inactive all we can give you as far as a promise to get back in the active guild is the promise that we will try! ; )

AdminTal Destra [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] October 24 2010 11:12 AM EDT

Prep for the dungeon raid!!!!
Prep for the dungeon raid!!!!
Prep for the dungeon raid!!!!
Prep for the dungeon raid!!!!
Prep for the dungeon raid!!!!
Prep for the dungeon raid!!!!
Prep for the dungeon raid!!!!

QBOddBird October 24 2010 11:13 AM EDT

i hate you

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 24 2010 11:23 AM EDT

we are being attacked now as well, so prep for defense also please.

Phrede October 24 2010 11:25 AM EDT

All our Christmases come at once :)

lostling October 24 2010 12:55 PM EDT

sad i didnt even get to poke the last dungeon lol

Demigod October 24 2010 2:42 PM EDT

Don't worry, you'll see action in both of these fights. And one of them will end pleasantly.

Soxjr October 24 2010 2:49 PM EDT

ok. so if I read the beginning right. the 10% part means that at lvl 50 I should have donated about 25k? Just trying to make sure I'm not behind.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 24 2010 2:51 PM EDT

it isn't based on level, you need to check your gold chest and see how much you have earned and take ten percent of that. it will be different for everyone depending on how you focus your rewards and such.

Phoenix [The Forgehood] October 24 2010 2:51 PM EDT

no, you look at the amount of gold you've earned so far (hover over the chest in character) and donate 10% of that.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 24 2010 2:52 PM EDT

sox, as of right now you have made 49,031 gold so 5,000 gold is all you need to meet the minimum requirement as of right now.

Demigod October 24 2010 7:54 PM EDT

Less than an hour and a half before the matinee starts...

AdminTal Destra [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] October 24 2010 10:12 PM EDT

so how'd the raid go?

QBOddBird October 24 2010 10:18 PM EDT

watch for yourself!


AdminTal Destra [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] October 24 2010 10:19 PM EDT

does that have both the dungeon and the war on it?

QBOddBird October 24 2010 10:46 PM EDT

only dungeon right now, haven't uploaded war yet. YouTube is slowish with this stuff, even once the video is uploaded it needs a little time to process it too.

QBOddBird October 24 2010 10:47 PM EDT

here's a direct link to the dungeon one:


QBOddBird October 24 2010 11:36 PM EDT

also, we owned that dungeon to bits.

Demigod October 26 2010 9:47 AM EDT

We're getting farmed by Devastaters yet again. Everyone prep. Once we can beat them, we're farm them right back. A lot.

We're also attacking, so prep for both attack and defense.

AdminShade October 26 2010 11:15 AM EDT

How close were we the last time against Devastators?

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 26 2010 11:17 AM EDT

the first fight we got to the second to the largest but the last fight we got to the largest which is a big mage. we barely scratched the mage.

hopefully this time we can put more of a dent into the mage! ; )

QBOddBird October 26 2010 11:34 PM EDT

hard decision is hard.

Do I stick with my current bow:

+184 DX
12050 - 21208
36.99% crit

or go with the new bow:

+234 LUCK
9393 - 21237
46.91% crit

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 26 2010 11:45 PM EDT

someone else asked a similar question in guild chat earlier. as i told them, i have tried luck, hp and damage builds and i think the damage is the way to go. i think to make luck work you need to keep it maxed out and still have very nice base damage. it gets harder and harder to keep luck maxed though.

in short, i would go dex!

Wasp [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] October 27 2010 1:46 AM EDT

Go dex. I had the same choice and went with the dex and I even beat the dungeon guy 12 levels higher then me. So deffo stick with the dex.

Demigod October 27 2010 4:20 PM EDT

Since yesterday proved disastrous with guild fights, I want to have a morale-boosting fight tomorrow. Yesterday's intended target wasn't available at EXP time, which is why we scrambled for a back-up choice.

The hopeful target is named Warriors Guild. They a bunch of hoodlum rapscallions who push elderly people into oncoming traffic. Plus, they only cost 1500g to beat up. You know that frustration you feel from getting farmed by Devastaters? Take it out on these guys.

I won't be available to start the fight, so I ask that one of the officers initiate the attack sometime around noon EST tomorrow (Saturday's wacky EXP time).

QBOddBird October 27 2010 4:34 PM EDT

I won't be available to start the fight, so I ask that one of the officers initiate the attack sometime around noon EST tomorrow (Saturday's wacky EXP time).

But today is Wednesday...

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 27 2010 4:35 PM EDT

that one got me too, i am pretty sure he was giving the server time for starting the fight tomorrow rather than the day to start it! ; )

Demigod October 27 2010 5:11 PM EDT

Yes, I was trying to pick a universal start time that everyone would know. It was easier than saying "noon EST, 5:00 GMT, do the math if you live outside of the U.S."

QBOddBird October 27 2010 5:14 PM EDT

ahhh, that makes sense

Demigod October 28 2010 7:37 AM EDT

For reference, we're now ranked #109 after those losses. Our target is ranked #79. We'll see how high we jump...

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 28 2010 7:40 AM EDT

that guild is under attack right now, but i think they still me available around the time we wanted.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] October 28 2010 11:45 AM EDT

ok, we are now attacking the warriors guild, go preppeth folks!

Demigod October 28 2010 7:43 PM EDT

The updated pre-fight rankings have us at #107 and the target at #93.

Demigod October 28 2010 8:59 PM EDT

40 minutes to show time.

lostling October 29 2010 12:19 AM EDT

SIGH i didnt kill anyone again... and can some admin edit the donation formula?

Demigod October 29 2010 12:39 AM EDT

The one at the top of the page? That's Shade.

And we had all but four people prep for that one, and one of those was Wraithlin (who's been AWOL for long time). That's awesome. To the best of my knowledge, that's the best prep percentage we've ever had.

As of right now, we're listed at #90 in guild ranking.

QBOddBird October 29 2010 12:44 AM EDT

Today's guild war is up on the YouTube channel!

I also updated all the video titles, so that it is easier to find battles on a given day / vs a given opponent.

Demigod October 29 2010 1:21 AM EDT


AdminShade October 29 2010 2:05 AM EDT

and can some admin edit the donation formula?
To what? 10% of what you make in money can't be put into a table as that amount is on your user page ;)

lostling October 29 2010 4:09 AM EDT

actually i meant just deleting it and putting it as 10%

AdminShade October 29 2010 6:44 AM EDT

Added a line to fix interpretation :)

Admiralkiller [Cult of the Valaraukar] October 29 2010 12:44 PM EDT

Sooooo Who is going to hit lvl 100 first! It's a race!

Demigod October 29 2010 2:26 PM EDT

The safe bet's on Kirimori (Seed). He's flying up the ranks nicely. Freed will level up on his next attack, but Kirimori's right on his heels.

My concern is how long I can stay above Fortunatto (Ranger). Corath already slipped ahead of me, and Ranger's not slowing down.

Demigod October 29 2010 3:02 PM EDT

Jabberwocky's lvl breakdown:

2 are 90+
3 are 80-89
4 are 70-79
13 are 60-69
15 are 50-59
7 are 40-49
6 are 1-39

Phrede October 31 2010 2:50 PM EDT


Please prep guys.

Demigod October 31 2010 9:30 PM EDT

Last call for prepping.

Demigod October 31 2010 9:53 PM EDT

Whoops. Last call will be in a few hours... stupid different times appearing on the same screen...

QBOddBird November 1 2010 1:42 AM EDT

Sorry all, I tried to record the fight but today is an "OB's computer is feeling rebellious again and breaks anytime he tries to do anything" day. Maybe next fight. =\

Phrede November 1 2010 7:42 AM EDT

Sorry couldnt read what you said - was too busy looking at the photo

lostling November 1 2010 9:13 AM EDT

lol freed

QBOddBird November 1 2010 11:49 AM EDT

We're getting close to being able to afford the next dungeon B)

Phrede November 1 2010 12:01 PM EDT

Sorry what was that ?

QBOddBird November 1 2010 12:12 PM EDT

Now that I have your attention back on the post, we're almost ready to do the next dungeon! :P

Demigod November 1 2010 1:09 PM EDT

Um... who's the lady in the .gif? I've got my rag of chloroform ready to go.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 1 2010 1:24 PM EDT

will the next dungeon's boobs...err i mean boss be level 80?

QBOddBird November 1 2010 1:27 PM EDT

It's a tit bit difficult to say right now, but if I find anything out, I'll keep you abreast of the situation

Phoenix [The Forgehood] November 1 2010 1:32 PM EDT

Dungeon 4: Community Garden Colony (Cost: 523,836 gold)
Boss Monster: L80 Terror from the Deep, 3,758,400 HP / warrior

from demi's post in thread 3.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 1 2010 1:35 PM EDT

thanks, i must have been in my cups to have missed that one! ; )

Demigod November 1 2010 3:03 PM EDT

I bet dudemus feels like such a boob for missing that.

Demigod November 1 2010 8:17 PM EDT

If any CBers are want to try the game or join Jabberwocky, please let me know. It looks like we have an opening.

If no CBers want the slot, then we'll open it up to friends of CBers and/or a thread post to lure in a large unknown vet.

Newlin [SeeD] November 1 2010 9:02 PM EDT

I would be interested in trying this game out though I am not sure if my Internet can handle it. Anyone have luck playing on dial up?

QBOddBird November 1 2010 9:04 PM EDT

People on the forums talk about playing with dialup. Apparently you just have to be patient while stuff like...hair loads.

Minnakht November 1 2010 9:11 PM EDT

Apparently the game is extremely laggy on dial-up. Usually this won't affect you, except for one circumstance that is complained about on the forums.

You're presented three quests to spend your adventure thirst on. Each quest has an exp and gold reward, along with a possible item reward. Since the item reward is presented as a picture, you won't know that the quest offers an item reward unless you wait a minute to let the game fully load. This could get pretty annoying after awhile, and if you don't do this, then you'd be missing out on some pretty essential items.

Demigod November 1 2010 9:26 PM EDT

Since the item reward is presented as a picture, you won't know that the quest offers an item reward unless you wait a minute to let the game fully load. This could get pretty annoying after awhile

I spend half the week playing on my neighbors' wifi, and I have the same problem. It doesn't really affect me at my level, but you would want to give it time to make sure quest items appear to avoid missing toys early on. Give the game a shot, and if you like it on dial-up, let us know.

Newlin [SeeD] November 1 2010 10:06 PM EDT

It seems to run fairly smoothly, should I be fighting in the arena or focus mainly on tavern quests? Also I was reading some of this thread and there appears to be an argument between going for more gold or exp, which is recommended? Username is Newlin.

QBOddBird November 1 2010 10:11 PM EDT

Focus on either gold or exp, it's up to you, but most of us prefer exp

and focus on tavern missions, arena fights are nice but they don't grow your level

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 1 2010 10:11 PM EDT

use all of your thirst for tavern quests each day. arena is good as well.

don't spend mushrooms to shorten timers. once you verify your email you will get more shrooms and if you haven't spent any you can get the elite mount which effectively doubles your growth.

if you won't be buying shrooms it is actually best to just choose the shortest quests as that increases your chances of a shroom drop. more shrooms for elite mounts means double growth which should help moreso, especially once you are getting our massive guild bonuses, than worrying about xp or gold for now.

Newlin [SeeD] November 1 2010 10:18 PM EDT

One last question, the mounts only last for that 14 day period right? And then you have to rerent them every two weeks?

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 1 2010 10:28 PM EDT

that is correct, sometimes you get enough in two weeks and sometimes not.

Newlin [SeeD] November 1 2010 10:35 PM EDT

This is really fun :) It just takes awhile to use up all my thirst what with each quest costing only 2 thirst.

Demigod November 1 2010 10:43 PM EDT

::wrings hands::

And there we have it, folks. Another addict.

To repeat what dudemus said, get the best steed every time if you can. The game lures new players into blowing them on store refreshes and timer skipping, but the best steed is the way to go.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 1 2010 10:46 PM EDT

as you level up, the thirst cost does go up.

Newlin [SeeD] November 1 2010 11:03 PM EDT

Since the item reward is presented as a picture, you won't know that the quest offers an item reward unless you wait a minute to let the game fully load. This could get pretty annoying after awhile, and if you don't do this, then you'd be missing out on some pretty essential items.

I haven't had a problem with this, thankfully. The items seem to load up within a few seconds of clicking on the quest, assuming one is available.

Phrede November 2 2010 7:11 AM EDT

Nobody mentioned war today - so I started one with a guild just above us in the rankings - they are very beatable. Prep up guys :)

QBOddBird November 2 2010 10:10 AM EDT


Newlin [SeeD] November 2 2010 1:53 PM EDT

My username on S&F is Newlin.

Demigod November 2 2010 2:24 PM EDT

Invite sent.

Demigod November 2 2010 4:45 PM EDT

Less than 1 hour to fight time. The only big guy we're missing at this point is Arf. On the off chance we actually lose, be sure to send him frownie faces in CMs as disappointment.

QBOddBird November 2 2010 4:45 PM EDT


Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 2 2010 4:49 PM EDT

demi really cannot tell the difference between males & females, i think this probably helped him to get the date he has tonight! ; )

Demigod November 2 2010 4:51 PM EDT

I like to live dangerously -- Woo first and find out what's under the hood later.

Minnakht November 2 2010 5:14 PM EDT

I sneaked into that fight at the last second!

Kind of the same way that OB sneaks into little girls' rooms at night.

But not really.

QBOddBird November 2 2010 5:27 PM EDT

I don't sneak into little girls' rooms at night :(

not unless you think of yourself as a little girl.



QBOddBird November 2 2010 11:20 PM EDT

So since we're about 5k away from affording the guild dungeon, when are we going to schedule to do it? I'd prefer that this time around we all knew what the time and date would be, instead of someone just mashing the button and yelling OK PREPARE WERE DOING IT NOW

Demigod November 2 2010 11:25 PM EDT

We had a great turnout when I scheduled a weekday fight during the same timeframe as a Saturday EXP time.

We can go for tomorrow or Thursday, but I have a feeling the guildies will want it tomorrow. For those in the U.S., that would mean initiating the fight at noon EST and having prep time last until 10pm EST.

QBOddBird November 2 2010 11:50 PM EDT

If we go for it tomorrow, I'm able to prep and all - it's just always in the back of my mind that we are risking a very large amount of guild gold, and a loss is a big setback, so we would want as much preparation time as is necessary.

Demigod November 2 2010 11:58 PM EDT

I have no problem waiting until Thursday for due notice. Unless one of the officers jumps the gun, let's plan on initiating the fight Thursday at noon EST. (Again, for those outside the U.S., that's the same time as Saturday's EXP time starts).

Demigod November 2 2010 11:59 PM EDT

For those not aware, here's the boss for the upcoming GD:

Boss Monster: L80 Terror from the Deep, 3,758,400 HP / warrior

Phrede November 4 2010 1:16 PM EDT

started the dungeon - prep up guys

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 4 2010 3:30 PM EDT

we are also under attack, man the walls and get the hot oil ready! ; )

QBOddBird November 4 2010 3:43 PM EDT


I love hot oil wrestling

Phrede November 4 2010 4:49 PM EDT

Who wins? You or the Hot Oil :)

QBOddBird November 4 2010 11:53 PM EDT

I have both fights recorded and uploading, but it will be a while before they show up available to be viewed.

On an aside, we are not very good for recording fights against scout bosses =| we have too many scouts, so much evade/evade/evade that we almost went over YouTube's time limit.

Admiralkiller [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 5 2010 12:56 AM EDT

Sooo I am thinking I am going quit this game. I will still spend my tavern time for now. Is there anyone who would like to take my Character over?

Kirimori November 5 2010 2:54 PM EDT

I can take over your character if you want. Might as well accelerate your character growth for the guild. ^_^

QBOddBird November 5 2010 3:52 PM EDT

oh, btw, both the guild war from yesterday and the dungeon are available for viewing from the YouTube channel. :)

zev November 5 2010 5:07 PM EDT

How hard would it be to just create a "Part 2" of the same fight instead of cutting off some of the video or cutting it short? We might miss a little bit of the fight while the recording is stopped and a new one is started but it could be the best way. Just a thought.

Demigod November 5 2010 5:26 PM EDT

How much time do you think would be saved if you skipped the Dex vs Dex fights when battling large teams?

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 5 2010 7:20 PM EDT

we are strong enough, let's just kick youtube's ass in our next guild war...teach them to have a size limit! ; )

QBOddBird November 5 2010 7:30 PM EDT

How hard would it be to just create a "Part 2" of the same fight instead of cutting off some of the video or cutting it short?

I think that's likely the route I will try to take if it turns out 15 minutes is too little.

Minnakht November 5 2010 7:37 PM EDT

You can skip the battles I'm in to save some time.

There's not much to be learned from an evasion festival :)

Minnakht November 6 2010 5:07 PM EDT

I've decided to stop playing S&F. School and other things are starting to take a lot of time, so I don't have the 2 hours needed to properly spend all my thirst/city guard/participate in battles.

I might log in when I have time, but if anyone wants my character, just send me a message.

QBOddBird November 7 2010 12:21 AM EDT

:( noooooooooooooooooo arfbargle! :((

Demigod November 7 2010 12:26 AM EDT

Yet again, Oddbird ran off a cute girl. Don't worry, you still have dudemus's daughter.

QBOddBird November 7 2010 12:27 AM EDT

Lochnivar November 7 2010 2:23 AM EST

Wait, arf is a chick and dudemus has a daughter?

AND OB is a shallow skirt chaser? (oops, already knew that last part, unfortunately due to my decision to celebrate my scottish heritage.)

I have no idea what the point of this post was....

QBOddBird November 7 2010 10:53 AM EST

Devasters are attacking us again. Defense!

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 7 2010 11:02 AM EST

since we were prepping anyways, i started a fight with prelude as well. please prep for both! ; )

Demigod November 7 2010 7:56 PM EST

Let's not start any more fights on Sundays. There are far too many people not prepping. The work week rut and XP time seems to do best.

QBOddBird November 7 2010 9:14 PM EST

I accidentally overwrote the recording of our war with devasters, but hey, it's devasters. We have 100 war recordings of them anyway. Only thing of note that happened is that we got their last guy down to 1/3 HP.

Admiralkiller [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 7 2010 9:27 PM EST

Okay so Kirimori is taking over my account after today.

Demigod November 7 2010 10:02 PM EST


Arf and AK both lose points in my big book of points.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 7 2010 10:05 PM EST

so are people playing more than one character or are we going to have room for some other players?

QBOddBird November 7 2010 10:35 PM EST

From S&F's Terms of Service:

Each player is allowed to play and own only one account per server. Playing more than one account will lead to punitive action up to and including permanent ban of all involved accounts. An account must not be shared. Account-sharing - different players using one account alternately - is not allowed. Account-sitting (playing a second, already existing account temporarily) is only allowed if it ranges from 24 hours up to 21 days. Within this period of time, only the account-sitter (the account holder's substitute) is allowed to log in to the sat account. The sitting ends as soon as the account holder logs in to his or her account.

Please don't get banned taking over someone else's account for them.

Kirimori November 7 2010 10:49 PM EST

Hmmm, that means AK needs to start playing again after 21 days? Or can I continue account-sitting beyond 21 days?

QBOddBird November 7 2010 10:52 PM EST

Or can I continue account-sitting beyond 21 days?

Account-sitting (playing a second, already existing account temporarily) is only allowed if it ranges from 24 hours up to 21 days.

Phoenix [The Forgehood] November 8 2010 12:40 AM EST

I think I'm going to pull out of S&F too. I have college and stuff creeping on me... kinda.

Demigod November 8 2010 1:01 AM EST

Let us know what's going on with the accounts. If any other CBers want to join in, you can either use one of the accounts or start your own. If we have slots that aren't getting played, we'll pull in vets from other guilds.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 8 2010 8:24 AM EST

if you will be inactive indefinitely, please kick yourself from the guild so that we know we have an available slot. you should be able to select yourself in the guild list and then press the boot key below to kick yourself.

as for getting new players in, we can also open it up to friends and family of those playing. i have several rl friends playing already and we have some other girlfriends and such that have joined us as well. ; )

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 8 2010 9:11 AM EST

we have one slot available in the guild at this time. let me know if you or someone close to you wants to join us! ; )

Demigod November 9 2010 9:25 AM EST

Prep up for the fight.

And you can thank/blame OB for this one.

QBOddBird November 9 2010 9:34 AM EST

For those of you feeling thankful, I accept donations of young ladies

QBOddBird November 9 2010 10:27 AM EST


Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 9 2010 10:29 AM EST


Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 9 2010 6:09 PM EST

we still have one open slot in the guild, if anyone has thought of trying the game now is the time! we get a 108% bonus to both gold and xp earned so don't fear starting later than the rest of us as you will grow over twice as fast as we did! ; )

Minnakht November 10 2010 7:17 AM EST

I also have a level 90 account with 114 mushrooms that I don't have time to play.

If anybody would like to play that, perhaps they could give me some cool CB items?

Mikel November 10 2010 9:56 AM EST

I can play :) I can take over arf's account or play my own, I'm level 19.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 10 2010 10:02 AM EST

pm sent mikel.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 10 2010 7:31 PM EST

ranger's son joined us on s&f. that takes the open slot. once mikel lets me know which route he is taking we can worry about that! i will let everyone know if we have more slots as they open up.

QBOddBird November 11 2010 11:06 AM EST

devasters is attacking again. Prepppp :D

{cb1}dyno November 11 2010 11:41 AM EST

how much time does this game need? My breaks to hop on-line aren't long - but it's close to around-the-clock. If actions only take 10-15 minute I could probably help. Season ends in less than 2 weeks so I'll have a LOT of time on my hands at that point. Let me know what this game's all about and maybe I'll cross over :)

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 11 2010 11:48 AM EST

you get basically 100 minutes of quest time a day. all that you need to do though is start the quest and wait for the timer to expire and start a new one. quests, at all but the lowest levels and with the elite mount, last 2.5, 5, 7.5 or ten minutes on the timer but again you do not have to be online for that. other than that you do guard duty for up to ten hours and get gold.

it should work great with your schedule! ; )

if you start, do not spend mushrooms on reducing the timers. save the mushrooms you start with and the ones from verifying email to buy the best mount which reduces your quest timers.

{cb1}dyno November 11 2010 11:50 AM EST

Effective November 21 (Unless you're ok with brief inactivity as we're on the road), let me know when a slot's open and walk me through the sign-up process, and consider yourselves one teammate deeper :)

QBOddBird November 11 2010 11:55 AM EST

IMO, there's no advantage to be had by waiting really...if you wanna just check it out while you don't have as much time on your hands so that you're familiar with it later, that would probably be a good idea. Just don't spend your shrooms! XD

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 11 2010 11:57 AM EST

brief inactivity is fine! ; )

Demigod November 11 2010 12:02 PM EST

Dudemus and I were CMing each other about about guild bully, and I said this:

Once we can topple them, I'm seriously thinking of doing seven revenge fights in seven days.


AdminShade November 11 2010 1:33 PM EST

I won't be online today, don't have access

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 11 2010 1:34 PM EST


Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 12 2010 1:56 PM EST

we will be making another guild dungeon run tomorrow, starting the timer at the beginning of xp time here. please make sure you all prep, especially you big guys! ; )

Demigod November 12 2010 3:40 PM EST

Remember to maintain at least 10% donations. The few of you who are behind the mark can help us push to get the last 50k gold for tomorrow's guild dungeon raid.

Demigod November 12 2010 10:41 PM EST

This is what we're facing in the GD:

Boss Monster: L90 Beastly Brat, 6,188,000 HP, Warrior

It's a shame we can't get drops from these. >:{

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 12 2010 10:45 PM EST

two percent more gold and xp for our s&f lifetimes is about as drop as you can get, biotch! ; )

Demigod November 12 2010 11:00 PM EST

But I want a toooooooooy!

::stomps feet::

Zippy November 12 2010 11:23 PM EST

I am starting an s and f babysitting service. Let me know if you need me and I can take it over for however long.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 13 2010 12:00 AM EST

we be under attack, please preppeth! ;)

Zippy November 13 2010 1:28 AM EST

Speaking of prepping and things, is there anyway to make a mass mail list and notify people of defense, dungeons, and fights? Thank You in advance. I do not always venture over to the guild tab.

Kirimori November 13 2010 1:53 AM EST

lol they have three characters over 130, 2 of which are above 140. That should be fun.

Someone could form a googlegroup for the mailing list maybe?

Demigod November 13 2010 2:54 AM EST

There's the in-game mail system.

AdminTal Destra [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] November 13 2010 10:44 AM EST

Dungeon has been started... prep up

QBOddBird November 14 2010 12:11 AM EST

That was close.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 14 2010 11:51 AM EST

the devasters are attacking! the devasters are attacking! please prep for defense!

Demigod November 14 2010 7:23 PM EST

Note that we have TWO fights to prep for. If you only prepped for one, hop to it.

Those of you who hate missing the replays when we have two fights so close together can blame dudemus -- and then thank Oddbird for recording the first one.

Eurynome Bartleby [Bartleby's] November 14 2010 11:52 PM EST

Really looking forward to helping on the next one :P

Demigod November 15 2010 12:01 AM EST


Not sure if OB captured the first fight.

QBOddBird November 15 2010 12:07 AM EST

I got them both. :)

QBOddBird November 15 2010 2:24 PM EST

If anyone missed either fight, they're up and properly titled. Just look for the 11-14-2010 fights.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 15 2010 5:46 PM EST

there seemed to be mixed opinions in guild chat, so wanted to start a dialog here where it is more permanent. do you think we are ready for the next guild dungeon (well by the time we get the gold) or should we grow some more first.

personally that last one was a little close for my liking! ; )

zev November 15 2010 5:49 PM EST

Thanks OB for your work on recording the fights. I do benefit from the work you do so I just wanted to send props your way. :)

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 15 2010 5:59 PM EST

in the next guild dungeon we will be up against:

Dungeon 6: Realm Of The Dark Dwarves (Cost: 753,720)
Boss Monster: L100 King of The Dark Dwarves, 6,302,400 HP Scout

Demigod November 15 2010 6:21 PM EST

We can delay the fight until a specific day of the week, giving everyone here (and in guild mail for the non-CBers) a few days of due notice.

For example, if we reach the gold target on a Saturday, we can select Wednesday for the fight. That will give us days worth of leveling up, and we'll even start the gold collection for the next fight will a jump start (even though we'll still have to delay that fight).

I actually think we will be able to take down this boss when the time comes, but I doubt the next one.

AdminTal Destra [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] November 15 2010 6:25 PM EST

i say we wait til sat after next... give the new players a chance to level and OB a chance to screw up again

zev November 15 2010 7:43 PM EST

Woo a scout boss, thats going to be a long evade battle. But... I think we can do it. I'm in favor of waiting a set amount of days after we reach the gold needed to start the fight. 2-3 days seems reasonable. Just my opinion.

QBOddBird November 16 2010 12:01 AM EST

give the new players a chance to level and OB a chance to screw up again


and np zev, thanks for the vote of support :)

QBOddBird November 16 2010 12:02 AM EST

Also, I don't know if we can beat this upcoming boss. Scout bosses are more difficult, because they still have the massive HP, but the increased damage and evasion of a scout (over, for example, a tank boss.)

Personally, I wouldn't risk the guild gold just yet. That's just my thoughts though.

Demigod November 16 2010 1:02 AM EST

For the five of us over 100, three are tanks, one's a mage, and one's a scout. That's worth mentioning because there is an advantage for scouts over tanks. We'll give it a buffer of enough time.

Demigod November 16 2010 1:03 AM EST

Obviously, tank = warrior

Phrede November 16 2010 2:49 AM EST

yeah I vote saturday week - just to make sure

Ragatag November 16 2010 4:16 AM EST

Gonna leave the guild, I've been inactive over the past week and I'm just gonna get busier. Have fun guys!

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] November 16 2010 4:40 AM EST

Ill take FB's spot if you guys dont mind! Only a level 11 Warrior tho.

Demigod November 16 2010 7:41 AM EST

Fluffy, who's your character?

Ragatag November 16 2010 8:50 AM EST


Eurynome Bartleby [Bartleby's] November 16 2010 8:54 AM EST

I see that we are due to attack another guild this afternoon. I'm guessing the best thing to do when an attack is coming is to chug every potion available?

QBOddBird November 16 2010 9:26 AM EST

Yep! :D

You can only drink up to 3 potions, and only 1 of each type, so if you can make it (primary stat), CON, and LUCK potion.

AdminTal Destra [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] November 16 2010 9:29 AM EST

you can drink 4 if one is the HP boosting one

Demigod November 16 2010 9:51 AM EST

Just know that if you drink two of the same stat, you'll replace your first one.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 17 2010 2:09 PM EST

we lost someone who seems to think their education is more important than computer games! ; )

with that being said, we have another slot open in case anyone else from cb has wanted to join us. cm me your user name or post it here.

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] November 17 2010 2:35 PM EST

I"m only level 4 but willing to give this game another shot. My username on there is also kefeck, so send me an invite :).. Also a chatmail with some helpful new player hints would be awesome.

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] November 17 2010 3:09 PM EST

Now I see what all this nonsense is about ...

I am addicted O.O ....

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 18 2010 7:57 AM EST

we are doing a test fight today on the devasters, the guild that has been farming us, to see how close we are to an offensive win against them. please go prep if you haven't!

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] November 18 2010 8:24 AM EST

What is all needed to prep for a guild fight? Do I need to use all my thirst, and not be working when it starts? Or just ready up and do whatever I want afterwards? lol.

QBOddBird November 18 2010 9:40 AM EST

Yep, just click the little prep button and continue on your way. Clicking that button is all you need to be included in the battle. :)

Also, prep for defense! devasters are back

QBOddBird November 18 2010 9:41 AM EST

oh jk, you can see how much I pay attention. that's us attacking them. XDD

FailBoat[SG] [Forever Alone] November 18 2010 11:36 AM EST

And I'm back.

QBOddBird November 18 2010 11:39 AM EST

Welcome back! Very, very long time no see!

FailBoat[SG] [Forever Alone] November 18 2010 11:40 AM EST

Haha, thanks. Guess I have to restart my NCB again since I wasted most of it. And read everything I've missed. I'll jump back into S&F soon.

Demigod November 18 2010 11:48 AM EST

Sweet, so you're back to stable with internet?

QBOddBird November 18 2010 11:52 AM EST

Well if you wanna view a couple of the battles we've had over the last month, we've got recorded almost all the guild wars we've done and a couple guild dungeons (new feature!)


Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 18 2010 11:56 AM EST

everyone is pretty active now so it may take a bit to make an open slot for ya silva.

are some people playing two accounts? if so we may ask ya to pull your least favorite or smaller one to make room for others.

FailBoat[SG] [Forever Alone] November 18 2010 12:28 PM EST

No rush guys. Just got my internet back today so I have lots of stuff to catch up on.

QBOddBird November 18 2010 2:23 PM EST

I will be at work during the guild wars today, and cannot record them. This means that we will miss the devasters' fight recording, as the 2nd fight will override it.

If anyone wants to try their hand at recording, the software I use is called CamStudio.

If not, that's cool too, just let me know who won~

Demigod November 18 2010 2:53 PM EST

Just got my internet back today so I have lots of stuff to catch up on.

Stuff = porn

FailBoat[SG] [Forever Alone] November 18 2010 3:44 PM EST

Stuff = porn

Wishful thinking. No internet for four months means I have over 700 emails to reply to and far too much backed up sidework for a website.

Demigod November 18 2010 3:52 PM EST

This thread will close tomorrow. Someone needs to think of a witty title for the next one. :)

QBOddBird November 18 2010 4:00 PM EST

Shivers & Frets!


Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 18 2010 4:09 PM EST

shrooms & fights! ; )

BadFish November 18 2010 4:14 PM EST

Soup and Focaccia!

QBOddBird November 18 2010 4:22 PM EST

Saggy and Flaccid!


{WW]Nayab [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 18 2010 4:30 PM EST

Just thought i would try and help.
For the gold donation formula, why don't you find the results of the level equation and the % gold and just average them out?

QBOddBird November 18 2010 10:48 PM EST

so did anyone record the devasters fight

Demigod November 19 2010 1:24 AM EST

We're getting attacked at a time when most of us will be asleep. Prep.

FailBoat[SG] [Forever Alone] November 19 2010 1:26 AM EST

So Demi, any idea on when/if you'll have a spot for me?

Demigod November 19 2010 7:28 AM EST

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