General hint for helping newbies (like me) (in General)
The fewer initialisms you use, the better. I'm reading your guys's posts on strategies, and continually get lost through all the letters. Even just when I'd ask a few simple questions in chat I was in the wiki trying to figure out what you meant. Enchant Offense rather than EO, or Elven Long Bow instead of ELB, at least for the first few posts with a new player, make a HUGE difference in catching on. Every time I see a post riddled with abbreviations, my eyes basically glaze over and it takes a lot of effort for me to translate that into something I can understand. So when you're talking to players like me (maybe there aren't enough of us newer players around for this to matter anymore, but whatever), it'd be really nice if you could avoid them so we can actually understand what the heck you're talking about. :)
February 4 2013 2:08 AM EST
This Should help bro
Welcome to Carnage Blender!
|Getting past the Tutorial is half the Battle!|
Life after the Tutorial can be tough as there is a lot of information to learn and some of it is not easy to comprehend. If you have any questions please feel free to pop into chat and ask them, there are many experienced players with answers willing to help.
Follow the links below to some of the best information on the site that you can get, made and compiled by the top players in the game.
Keep in mind that this game is meant for long term play so Game On!
Well, I guess my point is when your best resource for a new player learning stuff is them looking everything up themselves, it might be why it's a hard game to grow lately. ;) Not trying to sound needy or something, but I don't generally love spending my first few weeks with a game poring over the wiki. If there's that much to learn, I'll use the wiki for most of my beginning questions and such but it's nice to get feedback from other players, at which point if I haven't memorized the plethora of abbrevations ya'll use, ends up being pretty frustrating. Maybe it's just me; I dunno. Maybe it's more that this game is over my head than you guys using too many abbrevations. Just thought I'd let you know I was getting frustrated with that stuff, is all.
Thank you for taking the time to give us your "new player" observations; most don't so we appreciate your feedback!
The abbreviations can be picked up fairly quickly. Simply put, everything in the game has an abbreviation, we all use them because its become second nature. If you don't know what something is, just ask.
Reading the wiki is one of the best ways to get a really good grasp on the game when no one is around to help out. I used nothing but the wiki to teach myself how to play, the rest came over time with lots studying other players strats and theory crafting.
As far as making things easier to understand is concerned, it's honestly better to just be tossed into the common tongue and get used to seeing it.
I think you guys may be missing his point.
Sure there is a glossary and ways to figure out what the abbreviations mean, but as a newbie you DO NOT WANT TOO TRANSLATE! It IS a big turn off to have to decode a message when you are just starting. I don't think he was asking for advice on how to look up abbreviations, heck he showed in his initial post that he could do that.
Normal posts are not written with the newbie in mind so I really don't see any way around dealing with abbreviations there - sorry; however, I agree with him that in the Wiki we should all avoid abbreviations whenever possible, or better yet include both the abbreviation and the full name so that the newbie can get used to them. After all the Wiki is more for the learner than for the expert.
Is it so hard?
Think about what it was like when we didn't have a wiki...
Besides, it fosters community interaction. Not sure what AS stands for? As your Mentor/Clan Leader/Clan Mate/On the forums/In chat.
We won't bite! (Unless you ask!)
I don't want to bite, even if I am asked too :(.
Even if I say pretty please (and bat my eyelids)?
Haha well, you guys have a way of doing things here and I see you don't really want to change. Miteke had it right though, it just makes the entry barrier to this already complex game that much higher if I'm also constantly running around the site trying to figure out what you said. For normal posts of course, use all your abbreviations. I'm not saying you should stop using them in general so I can understand what you say. I just mean that if you were giving someone like me direct advice, say in chat or through a question they had posted on a forum, it would be nice if you'd avoid abbreviations. Yes I can ask or look through the wiki, but when you use 6 or 7 abbreviations in one short post, and I have to look through the wiki for all 6, then re-read what you said in the first place so I know what you even meant, it's a lot of extra work. I'm a newbie, but this is actually like the third or fourth time I've started this game. I'm finally starting to catch on to most of the abbreviations, but I know that many times when I'm in the chat asking questions, 90% of my time is devoted to looking through the wiki to decipher what people said, about 5% trying to re-understand what was said, and then the rest trying to either apply it or ask one of the other many questions I had. It's always a slog trying to learn this game for me, and that was a big reason why. And hey, if you don't want to change anything, don't change anything! I was just letting you know how a less experienced player felt about chat and the forums.
Don't get me wrong, I certainly understand where your coming from, I was new once as well. But the same thing can be said about almost any game, there is typically a learning curve and players have their own terms for everything that aren't always obvious and honestly no one is going to hold your hand in most games. Here however, all you need to do is -ask- and we'll break it down for you. I've seen plenty of other games where the second you ask a question you just get shrugged off and called a noob.
My own personal suggestion is to just straight throw yourself into the mix and learn without having someone do all the sugar coating for you.
At least that's the way I've always been.
February 5 2013 11:51 PM EST
He's completely right. May be a few years too late to do any good, unfortunately.
February 6 2013 1:42 AM EST
Xeno well said as usual. These are the days of hand it to me on a silver platter and explain what you have put on that silver platter and then answer all my questions that I have about what's on the silver platter. This GAME is not and will not be handed out on a silver platter. Get reading folks and try out some strategies. And when you've produced some effort then ASK a question help will be there for you then. Do not get me wrong I will help anyone that needs it. This is not a criticism but rather an expectation.
February 6 2013 2:52 AM EST
Possibly to smooth things out a bit for you so you do not think anyone is being rude or abrasive here. You will have to put some effort into learning things so you know what questions to start to ask. It's difficult even for the most patient person to sit and spend hours explaining things to a New Player. (trust me I have done this it's quite hard at times) Especially when most of the information could have been read by the NP and THEN interpreted information corrected by a knowledgeable vet during question asking phases. There should be breaking times so both New Player and Vet can have a rest. One for the New Player to let information soak in, second to let the Vet rest up and reflect on how to better answer certain questions when he/she runs into them again. You have to remember this is a learning process not just for the New Player but also the Vet.
Also of note in all honesty it's difficult to properly teach and when a New Player doesn't really show any effort it's kinda hard to get anyone to want to invest their time......you might get a few small questions answered but until that effort is seen well the Wiki is your friend.
February 6 2013 2:58 AM EST
Very true I've been around for CB1 and CB2 and I STILL learn new things every week. It's not the end result but the journey that counts newbies just start Burning BA it's addictive :)
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